Being run by the same people of cardmember services
Complaint
Bree
Country: United States
Well i have been dealing with calls from GE security solutions which is being run by Pacific Telecommunications group out of los Angeles CA.They have been saying they are with the FBI checking on what kind of security we have,They say they are calling to give me a free wireless home security system and they will put a sign in our yard.I have been reporting them for the last 2 months.Same tactics as racheal, and cardmember services or cardholder services.They threaten you they call you names,They tell you go F..yourself.So i guess what i'm saying is pacific tele are doing the same thing just a different product now.
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So not only are they playing the "free security system for putting a sign in your yard" con, they are impersonating the FBI?
And now "the FBI" is in the "home security" business.
Why don't you call the FBI with that little tip?
And file a fraud complaint with the FTC while you are at it.
havent finished this report yet, but one of the names this clown used in 2010 sounded similar to PacTel.
Asia Pacific Telecom
If it's the same idiot(s) they were alredy sued by the FTC.
http://www.ftc.gov/os/caselist/1023060/index.shtm
This bottom-feeder’s goes by Johan Hendrix Smit Duyzentkunst. And, if you think enough of a name, Corporate defendant, and director of Defendant Repo, B.V. (Dutch foreign for profit shell company) Janneke Bakker-Smit Duyzentkunst (“Bakker-Smit”).
Geez, it’s no wonder an angry American Consumer cursed her! Two of the same kind of criminals.
These two geniuses operated Asia Pacific Telecom, Asia Pacific Networks, Repo B.V., SBN Peripherals, Inc SBN Dials, and who knows what other fraudulent bullcrap.
Hope the info helps.
As Sonny and Cher sang, "A cowboy's work is never done."
The caller ID came up as "Cell Phone FL" with a number of 305-368-8857, which when I call it back I get two beeps and a busy signal...
I filed the complaints with the DNC website, but I'm sure NOTHING will be done since they always sit back and do NOTHING. But, I filed the complaint anyway... Like I have so many times before....
… I get satisfaction doing this to them !
… I get satisfaction doing this to them !
Only after entering into a contract does the seller proceed to deliver, install, or provide the service, and indeed, why would a legitimate business proceed without a signed contract in hand, when that is how they expect to be paid?
Fraudulent sales schemes alter the order of these steps, usually by making fraudulent verbal misrepresentations to get your signature on something, which could be a partial "contract" missing pages, maybe looking like a "work order", then taking some step they can claim is "delivery" on this "contract" to use as a lever to cram undisclosed terms down your wallet, probably under the threat of charging some ridiculous inflated price for this "installation" when the service contract terms haven't even been agreed to.
The missing pages appear later, whenyou try to back out or cancel, and you "must have lost them", or "forgot to read them, tough luck".
They usually also set up this "service contract" as a "loan" that is "financed" by a lending partner, so they get the cash up front, and the lender takes the monthly service payments as "interest and principal" to pay off this "loan". The lender then pretends they are "unaware" of the sales fraud, placing an additional perceived barrier in the way of dumping the fraudulent "contract". The scheme is much like health club "contract" shakedowns.
Refusing to provide a copy of what they will later allege is a "contract", up front to provide disclosure of the terms before you agree, is a fraudulent sales tactic, usually followed by fraudulently alleging some grossly inflated "uncancellable multiyear contract" that they will say is binding due to agreeing to the installation.
Report them to your local district attorney, and contact your state Attorney General to find what state agency licenses alarm and alarm installation companies. File a fraudulent trade practices complaint.
“General Electric” is at the top of the “home security” scammer list-
An open message to General Electric Security Solutions. IF you’re NOT in anyway part of the billions of illegal robo-calls, sometimes with caller id’s showing “GE home security” THEN you’d better get on the ball, and help put these scum in jail. IF you ARE RESPONSIBLE, consider this a message alerting the FTC, and all Consumers that you are all CRIMINALS, violating TCPA, TRS, and RICO Laws.
GE makes a FaceBook response;
“GE wrote:”
“It has come to our attention that some consumers have received calls from telemarketers selling GE Security equipment. These callers are not from GE, and depending on their conduct, could be in violation of state and federal regulations regarding telephone solicitation. Please report any improper telemarketing of GE Security products to Interlogix Customer Service at (855) 286-8889.”
So, who is this “Interlogix” that you are wanting Consumers to report ILLEGAL telemarketing of GE Security products to? Seems like you would advise people to report telemarketing criminals to the FTC, and FCC! Wonder if reporting anything to “Interlogix” is simply reporting one criminal to an even bigger criminal.
More info from 800Notes posts;
“Most of these calls are from authorized dealers of one of the major alarm system companies (add- GE Security, ADT, Monitronics, Vivint, etc.). These companies perform "free" installations of security systems conditioned upon signing an extended monitoring contract with the alarm system company. The dealer is then compensated for the sale by the alarm company.
These "authorized dealers" are permitted and encouraged to advertise aggressively under the alarm company's banner, and are notoriously abusive telemarketers.
They are careful not to reveal the company's true identity until after you have been "qualified" as a sales lead, if ever. Properly prosecuting them requires answering the call and "feigning interest" long enough to get a live representative on the line and convincing that person to admit who they work for. Sometimes it is necessary to go as far as making an installation appointment and photographing the installer and his or her documentation.”
“You should see the look on their faces when I pull out my camera after first getting their biz card and contract - often appointments are the only way to find out who actually called or on whose behalf a call was made. An ADT dealer junk faxed my former office - got a lead generator's # from the salesman - it seemed as if there were 3-4 layers to get through to find out who actually sent the fax. Monitronics has known for years, as has Dish Network, that many of their sales come from illegal telemarketing - it will be good to see some more published appellate decisions on this topic.”
https://800notes.com/forum/ta-48a0eedf951c5ea ... security-alarms
UTC Interlogix claims that they are also NOT behind this telemarketing program. Interlogix is concerned about the calls because the use of the GE name by the caller violates UTC's agreement with GE allowing them to use the GE name.
What is really happening here is that a number of small regional alarm companies who may be distributors for the major alarm manufacturers are responsible for these calling campaigns. But they aren't actually making the calls themselves, but instead contract that out to telemarketing companies who are paid to make random calls using computer-generated telephone number lists, filter out the more likely candidates who appear to have an interest in whatever they are selling, and then pass those on to the alarm company. That way the alarm companies can argue that they aren't actually violating the Do-Not-Call law and are only contacting interested potential customers. And the telemarketing companies that are responsible for the harassing calls are often outside the US where the FCC and FTC can't reach them. For example, in the case I chased down, the calls were actually originating in Quebec, but were being made from numbers across the border in Vermont.
I've also tried contacting our telephone service provider. They have no interest in doing anything about this problem. I've suggested to them that my solution to the problem is to discontinue telephone service, but even that doesn't seem to get their attention.