Unauthorized withdrawal from my checking account

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Barbara Nelson
Country: United States
I want to add to the litany of complaints about this crooked business.  On Christmas eve 2009 TRS Recovery Services hacked into my checking account and removed $425.00 via electronic check.  I have never had any dealings with them whatsoever.  My credit report is clean.  I have no debts that would have gone to collection.
I have filed a complaint with the Houston BBB, an Affidavit of Forgery with my credit union, filed complaints with the Saint Paul Police Fraud Unit, the Minnesota Attorney General, and the Houston PD.
I also spoke with an anxious-sounding administrative assistant at TRS and her solution was to ask for my checking account number so they could "investigate" this theft.  Ya, right, like I was going to give those thieves more information. Meanwhile, these crooks still have the $425.

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    tj
    You have already disputed through the appropriate channels, in writing, and in a timely manner to preserve your dispute rights.  

    The key dispute is filing a timely dispute through your credit union, under FRB Reg. E, which governs electronic transfers from checking accounts.  The charge was unauthorized, you have filed a fraud affidavit which you can back up with a police report, so your credit union should reverse the charge and replace it.  FRB Reg. E requires that disputes be within 60 days of the statement date of the statement showing the disputed charge, so it appears you are covered.

    Regardless of whether you give TRS the courtesy of investigating from their side outside of your credit union dispute, TRS can "investigate" all they want when they get the dispute through the banking system as long as your money is back in your account.  The timely dispute through your bank, combined with the law enforcement complaints, are the ones that count.

    TRS is a debt collector that normally collects on bad checks passed to their client merchants.  As such, they normally attempt to run through charges against those checking accounts, often with additional fees tacked on.  If your checking account was charged, it would mean that your account number is now in their system, either due to some error on the part of TRS, or possibly due to someone passing a forged check.  

    You will want them to provide the reason for their "error", since you may have to take action to limit your exposure to future risk, either by closing your account due to the unauthorized charge, or possibly dealing with the necessary filings in case of id theft or forgery, otherwise TRS may have your name and account flagged, and you will not be able to use checks with any of their clients.  (You shouldn't be using checks at retail stores anyway.)

    If you routinely use checks for retail purchases, or provide your checking account number for on-line or phone purchases, you should realize the risk that entails, due to the increased risk of some employee grabbing your account number and forging checks.  Limit your use of checks to payments to companies you know, such as for rent, mortgage, utilities, banks, etc.

    Use only credit cards for all on-line or retail payments, since the fraud protections are strongest, and the disruption caused by fraud and having to block the card is less than for checking accounts.  

    Do NOT use or activate debit or check cards, since like checks, they drain even fraudulent charges directly from your account, and the fraud protections are weaker than with credit cards.  Use only ATM cars with PINs at your bank's own ATM machines, but be alert to the possibility of tampering.
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    Barb
    Thanks for the additional information.  My credit union replaced my money but now they are stuck with the loss because it is not covered by FDIC in this relatively small amount. I use my checks only for paying bills and prior to this haven't had any unauthorized withdrawals from my account nor have I had any overdrafts. Also, I checked my credit report and found nothing out of order.
    I only recently provided my checking account number to my utility companies so I can make online payments.  I wonder if this is how TRS intercepted my account number.
    After reading your advice, I will close my current account, despite the inconvenience.
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    tj
    Your credit union may have chosen not to pursue a $425 amount, perhaps due to their own costs, but they do have recourse.  Strange response, since I'm sure they wouldn't walk away if you owed them $425.  

    I don't know why they are treating this as an FDIC insurance matter, since it is actually a transaction error, fraudulent charge, or forgery, not some charge that is not reversable because the presenter went bust.  All of those are correctable without FDIC insurance, by pushing the charge back on the bank presenting it, who then pushes it back until it reaches the originator, TRS.  They shouldn't have run through the charge against your account in the first place, so that is where it should go back to.

    TRS is still in business, and if they entered bankruptcy, then their own bank or payment processor would be the one stuck, for not keeping up on their client's financial condition.


    FRB Reg. E covers not only disputes by consumers, but reversals by banks and others handling payments through the system, for transactions involving electronic funds transfers such as debit cards or ACH.  Reg. CC covers similar issues for paper checks.

    ALL of the banking regulations allow for disputing and reversing errors, whether due to accident or fraud.  Since payments often are transferred through long chains of banks or clearinghouses, it was worked out long ago how each would push back errors or fraudulent charges to the one who presented it to them, who could then do so back down the chain.  

    The end result is it goes back to whoever created the demand draft, check, debit card charge, or ACH transaction, and they get stuck, as they should.  If they are crooks and can't be found, or they go bankrupt, then the party that accepted their bogus check or charge gets stuck, as they should, since they were the ones who were not careful.  

    You push junk into the system, it bounces back to you.  Any other policy, and everyone would be gaming the system.  Trust would disintegrate, and with it the whole banking system.


    Once they have your number, whether they are crooks or messed up businesses who made a typo, the only way to prevent a recurrance is to close the account.
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    BarbN
    As Emily Litela used to say sweetly, "Oh, never mind."  The matter has finally been resolved and I assign blame as follows: 1/3 to my mortgage company for entering the wrong account # for an automatic withdrawal then not notifying me that they were unable to withdraw a payment; 1/3 to Telecheck/TRS for not notifying me that they were collecting for my mortgage company; and 1/3 to me for sloppy record-keeping in not carrying over the unpaid amount in my account register for two months.
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    tj
    Did they correct their error with no cost or damage to you?


    Automatic payments cause more problems than they are worth.

    They may be convenient, but when anything goes wrong, you run the risk that the parties involved will just blame you, with the possibility of extra fees and damaged credit.  Assuming the consumer is the cause of the problem is their normal action.

    It is safer to control your payments yourself.
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    Roger T. Yokubaitis
    Don't worry about going after TRS to recover your money; go after your bank.  It is the entity that paid the fraudulent item and is the one on whom the loss will fall by law.  If your bank hasn't already paid back the money taken from your account, have it do it today.

    Roger T. Yokubaitis
    Houston, Texas
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    tj
    Your bank can reverse unauthorized charges disputed within 60 days of the statement date of the statement showing the disputed charge, under FRB Reg. E.

    Reversed EFT charges are pulled back through the banking system, just as they would be for a mis-keyed, altered, or forged check.
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    Rita Gardner
    I should of warned my credit union about the nasty phone call I received from a female demanding I better have money in my account tomorrow. I just hung up, I was very confused and never thought about until I saw it on mt checking account . now I'm trying to get my money back from the Credit Union. Also trying to find out who these people are .
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    tj
    They normally attempt to run through electronic checks to collect on bounced checks using the authorization created by the original check, possibly followed by bounced check fees if state law permits.  It sounds like they may have run through some charge not associated with any check you wrote or bounced.

    Debt collectors are required by FDCPA to not only identify themselves by their company name, but they are required to state that they are debt collectors.

    "You better have money in your account tommorrow" doesn't meet that requirement.  In fact, it sounds more like an illegal threat.

    Get an attorney.

    You might try www.naca.net
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    Gail C
    I authorized 2 EFT on 2 separate days for my car payment in erros for the month of June 2011. I went to my credit union and told them I wanted to dispute one payment and was told I could not do it I would have to contact the finance company. The finance company told me I would need to wait 10-13 days. What can I do for a quicker turnaround. Both payment have cleared my account....
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    ahmed elmansoury
    Hello. 15 days ago I can not access my account on Yahoo .. I do not know why. Is the account has been breached? Have you been close? I do not know ..elmansourya@yahoo.com  That this stop. Result in any significant financial loss in my work .. Please check out. Restart the account of the great importance .. E-mail is: Thank you.

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