Royal Holiday Club Scammed me!!!

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John
Country: United States
I am writing to complaint about this company because uses false, unfair, fraudulent and misleading high-pressure sales tactics to consumers to induce into a contract by false and fraudulent representations. In the week of September 1st my wife and I visited Paradise Island Bahamas. A very friendly woman approached us in the hotel lobby and said she was a Royal Holiday representative and we won a prize for a free lunch and free activities. She called a taxi and took us to Whyndam Resort we found ourselves in a orientation that took more than 4 hours. The free lunch and activities turn out to be high pressure sales-pitch. We were told that we could go anywhere in the world whatever we wanted. We were told that membership was an investment that would increase in value. We were told that you could sell your membership and we can make money. We were told that you can rent your membership and make money without any effort. We were told that we had today and today only for this prize. We were told that we write the membership off on your taxes.. They offered discount on air tickets 50% or more|. They did not say was a contract for 30 years,. They did not say about maintenance fees/. They did not informed of the time period in which we can cancel our membership?. When I had some doubts they offered us coupons of airfare for 30 nights in Mexico (I found it hidden $99 service fee if used)'. I called many times, e-mail, and letter enclosed to cancel my membership Yazmin Gomez, Claudia Cardenas Gutierrez and Jose Antonio Elizarraraz all of them has the same answer that can not cancel my membership/. Now they are calling everyday threaten us to report us to collect agency and to Credit Bureau!.We called, e-mail, enclosed-letter they do not rescind our contract.

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    tj
    They have numerous similar complaints.  

    You might even have signed this "contract" without even being presented the complete terms they now claim are in it.  The complete profile indicates it was all a con from the start, possibly even an attempt to force a shakedown "settlement" just to get out of it.

    They can make all the threats they want, but the only way they can actually get your money is if you feal threatened and give it to them, they sue you and win a court judgement where you live, or they damage your credit and you pay them to remove the damage.  They would have to do that where you are, not in another country.

    If some debt collector in the U.S. starts harassing you, or actually damages your credit, get an attorney and sue them.  Debt collectors who might collect such trash will also probably use illegal threats to do so, so you could sue them for violating FDCPA.

    Numeorus threats with some deal as misrepresented as this usually means that's what they intended to do from the start, and that's all they can do.  Threats are cheap, but with a con, there's more danger to them if they followed through, so they typically just harass.  

    Talk to a consumer attorney regarding fraud, and voiding contracts due to fraud, so you know clearly where you stand.  
    File a fraud complaint with your local police and the FBI.
    Get a copy of the police report, should you need it to dispute attempted credit damage.
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    S...
    I made a police report out of 'RHC', but I quess the local police here was too busy to investigate it and besides I guess they didnt get all the info they wanted from me either to investigate it because for me this whole thing was just a mixture of everything. Hard to tell to police about the fact that I dont get any tools from RHC... etc. too many conflicts existing all over... but well. I know how little police here can do about it anyway. A class action way... a police report in States might be a better way to go though (?)...  Here the police only told it to be a contractual matter between me and 'RHC' and therefore a civil court matter. I dont necessarily agree.

    So 'RHC' -thing can only cause damage to everyone? No matter what you do? You cant complain but you cant do anything else either... you dont have tools.
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    J
    | 3 replies
    W BUT TRYING TO GET OUT OF THE SCAM
    E JUST JOINED AHD WHAT THEY TELL YOU IS A LOT OF LIES
    THEY SAID IT WAS ALL LEGAL AND WE TALK TO A GOVERMENT REP IN THE DOMINICAN
    BUT THEN WE FIND OUT HE IS NOT ,HE IS PART OF ROYAL HOLIDAY,
    WE READ THAT WE COULD CANCEL  BUT THEN THERE IS A TWIST[ONLY IF THEY AGREAE
    STILL OWE THEM $9100.00 , WE JOINED ON THE 13 MAY 2012
    CAN ANY ONE HELP
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      Not Royal's Favorite Guy replies to J
      | 1 reply
      Just don't pay them. It is clear that deceptive practices were used to sign you up, I know because they lied to me also. You have no moral obligation to honor a contract obtained by deceit.   How binding is contract signed in the Dominican anyway? Do you think they'll spend thousands of $$$ to chase you and sue you where you live? It'll cost them more to collect than what you owe. Yes, They'll chase you and harass you. If you live in the USA you can send their US based collectors a registered letter telling them to stop their harassing debt collection efforts. If they get too aggressive in their collection efforts under certain circumstances you can sue them.  They will threaten to damage your credit and actually will inform the credit rating agencies in an effort to frighten you into paying. I've seen other postings where the individual who had this happen contacted the rating agencies and had the negative comments eliminated. So in is not the "big threat" that they say it is.

      I'd like to see some Royal Holiday owners try and sell their "memberships" on Ebay and give an honest account of their experiences as a disclaimer/warning to a potential purchaser.
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        Dimasalang replies to Not Royal's Favorite Guy
        OK, please get serious: Does this approach really work? Wouldn't the defaulter's credit rating be negatively impacted?  How are the negative comments eliminated?

        What would it take to start an anti-RHC revolt and get thousands of pissed-off "customers" (who are in reality "victims of a massive scam") to STOP MAKING PAYMENTS RIGHT NOW TO THIS UNETHICAL AND HEARTLESSLY EXPLOITATIVE COMPANY??!!!
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      arthur friedman replies to J
      The guy that you want to get to is named Mustafa Bouzid. He runs all the marketing and sales for these scam artists and has for decades. He is an Algerian Muslim who hates Americans with a passion.
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    michael lloyd
    | 2 replies
    Same thing happened to me In Cozomel out 12,000 dolars.  After trying to book a vacation and the only thing that showed available was in Tennessee in august.  Then the maintenance fees started and I havnt even been in one vacation.  Well after some research I stopped paying maintenance fees and the threats started coming from royal holiday.  Then the threats changed to if you pay this years maintenance fee we will forgive all your missed fees and penalties.  I ignored that as well.  Then came the pay us the payments you missed and we will call it even and cancell your membership.  I ignored that as well.  Now I don't hear from them anymore and my credit is just fine.  In fact they havnt even showed on my credit report.     So stop paying them and tale it as a learned lesson about all time shares. Be cautious and of to good to be true walk away .
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      Jay replies to michael lloyd
      | 1 reply
      I was scammed in Punta Cana, DR and paid 3000 up front with monthly payments up until this year. I constantly get calls, letters and emails how they will report me to the credit bureau and collection agencies which makes me want to just pay the whole debt so I don't have to worry. I have not come across many people who have discussed what happens if you don't pay and just ignore their threats. Just wondering now that some time has passed since you last post any updates on RHC contacting you in any way? In the mean time I will just ignore them but I do not want to deal with their letters, emails and phone calls for the next 30 years or my whole life!
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        Bob Monaco replies to Jay
        You didn't get scammed you made a quick decision using your free will to buy. You can't claim fraud because you never used the product
        to see if itbworked providing you with a better way to vacation. Take responsibility for your decision making rather than bash the salesman whose reputation you are attempting to silly.Look into the mirror , that is the problem-YOU. You need to grow a set of balls.
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    s
    | 2 replies
    RHC is for sure illegal. I hope they'd explain if they even think they were legal somehow? Not just say 'we are legal'. They have to prove it.

    They just need to show some proof, but they obviously cant
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      Bob Monaco replies to s
      | 1 reply
      All sales are perfectly legal with rescission clauses in all contracts. Some folks like let you friends intermeffle on your affairs and someone told you you got ripped off. My advice is to become a better businessman because you definately are not. The RHC had been in business for 40 years with few complaints and the developer is a highly regarded and influential man in Mexico
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        Dave replies to Bob Monaco
        You must be a shill for Royal Holiday to state that there are few complaints. LOL I have hired a lawyer, which I suggest other people do.  I am in the early stages of my conflict with Royal Holiday but feel confident I will win in the end. I have an excellent contract lawyer. Look up civil court for State of New York. Royal Holiday verse Blyakher & Dyachenko. They went to court against Royal Holiday. Not sure how it ended. But everyone that is unhappy with Royal Holiday needs to hire a lawyer, quit paying them and stand up to this leech of company.
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    s
    | 1 reply
    RHC doesnt give answers for that. Because they cant.They cant even proof their company to be legal? They dont even know about RHC.

    And if employees dont know anything they should make sure they put us through to someone who knows. But they never do - because they obviously cant.
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      Dave Hinkle replies to s
      You are clueless .Your statements are rediculous.
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    t
    Its not legal because its not about RHC. Employees dont work for RHC, they think they do - RHC doesnt exist, not legally. Nothing is legal.
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    SariPa
    | 1 reply
    RHC is european company which doenst exist to us in Europe (as an office). At the same time brokers. middlehands etc. sell RHC memberships to us but they dont even have anything to do with RHC. Instead sueing those middlehands we need to sue the real RHC in Europe, but I dont believe americans and canadians can do that. Thats why they dont sell to europeans And what amazes me the most is that why RHC does nothing to stop those middlehands doing us what they do.

    We all know its not letigimate. Those who really scam us in this are not mexicans or bahamians or caribbean. They are just middlehands. And we know its a scam..
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      Peter Allen replies to SariPa
      Please expand with facts as to why they are not legitimate. Something tells me you don't have a clue =
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    ...
    Its about financial group and propably people inside who run holiday clubs and work for financial corporation at the same time. The financial corporations are established because... how many of them bases on some kind of money laudry f.e - a fraud? When people are scammed in a way or another its about money laundry, isnt it? Anyway very guestionable business to run.  Financial corporations (groups)represent to me advisors in finance. They f.e. help their customers to get fast profits, help them in tax issues, just represent the customer in many ways. But if the business bases on a scam, does it mean that financial corporation involved in such business bases on a fraud itself as well? For me it does... in a way or another... people inside or..? Also financial groups can be established as one mans business, am I right? My point it that out there might be such financial groups which basicly base on a fraud. The way the capital are collected to circulate. Money makes money principle.

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