No car despite reservation. Bogus charges after car returned

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Stew
Country: United States
Lazy, unhelpful, sarcastic, and shiftless staff at Pearson Int'l Airport in Toronto Canada. I reserved a full size car three weeks in advance for a 5 day business trip during the week & weekend before Christmas - I've been a loyal customer, renting 5-6 times a year at that location alone for the last 9 years, not to mention all the other cars I've rented throughout N. America over the same 9 years. Emerald Aisle member at an additional annual cost to boot. When I arrived to pickup my car - on time - I was told they had none. No notification, no warning whatsoever. I told them I had made a reservation and had a confirmation # - apparently that means nothing to them and is a worthless effort. I was told "making a reservation does not guarantee you get a car" ... WHAT? It seems they can penalize you for a no-show, but when they let you down, the rules are different.  Why bother even making a reservation? After some persistence and desperate appeals to the acting manager I was offered a small Toyota sub-compact that was the one car they had: that was simply not possible for myself (6'4") and the 3 passengers of similar stature. I was told it was Christmas and all the cars had been rented out + it was a bad time to rent a car (??? I made a reservation 3 weeks beforehand!!!???) - every time they opened their mouths the statements that came out were increasingly ludicrous and it became obvious they simply wished I would just go away.  I was told - by the manager - "good luck finding a car: everyone else is out of cars as well" ... nice. Great way to speak to a valued (sic) customer. I walked 10 ft to the Avis counter and they had a new Chrysler 300 ready to go for LESS $$$$. I was out of there in under 5 minutes after the hour wasted at the National counter with no resolution --- thank you Avis. Last June - same airport - I got dinged - 3 months after returning a car - with a $389 charge to my credit card for a "broken windshield" ... I called to protest that I knew nothing about this and they explained I had waited too long to refute or challenge their claim against me. Duh! I guess if you keep it a secret till well after the fact, you have me over a barrel with the small print! Fool me once, shame on you, fool me twice ... I guess the latest incident is my own fault for giving National a second chance. I will never rent another vehicle from these clowns again. Last check showed I rented a total of 18 times from them in 2009. I guess that means they've seen enough of me and that I should move on. I hope someone at National sees or hears about this. What are the chances they'd try to contact me or rectify / help? ZERO % . Careless and unhelpful do not fully describe this company's policies toward any loyal customers. Goodbye National, hello Avis.

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    tj
    If the merchant ignores your dispute of their unauthorized charges, you dispute through your credit card company.  

    A charge 3 months later still gives you 60 days from the credit card statement date to dispute charges appearing on that statement through your credit card company, based on FCBA.  That 60 day period is from when the second suspect charge appeared, not from when you returned the car, and not from when the original charge appeared.

    The car rental company's "policies" have nothing to do with federal law on disputing through your credit card company.

    Although maybe there was some damage, either correctly or incorrectly attributed to when the car was under your control, their response also hints at the possibility that this is a con.  It also matches several similar complaints tied to car rentals to U.S. customers at Canadian airports, across several rental companies, which may indicate it is a known scam among Canadian car rental operators.

    Their statement that "you waited too long" is deceptive B.S., aimed at getting you to give up on disputing, and not consistent with U.S. credit card law.  That make it an indication they may be cramming a bogus fabricated charge on your account, deliberately setting you up by their own delay to use a well crafted excuse that sounds almost like the FCBA dispute period, but is in fact not.  That implies they have experience with pulling this type of con.

    You have no independent verification there is any "windshield damage", nor did they find and notify you of it at the time you returned the car, but for $400 they know you can't do much about something they can convince you would cost more than that to disprove.

    Fraud is based on deception.  Effective deception is based on denial, denial of access to information that might refute the deception.  Frauds are crafted of elements aimed at getting control of the money, and then using deception to make sure they can keep it.  This scenario has those elements.  Deception is intended to look "normal", or close enough to "normal", enough so that they can get it past you even though you might be suspicious.  

    Although appearing suspicious, they have enough "plausible deniability" to pull it off with little risk, as long as they don't repeatedly con the same person, or their victims can't compare notes.  You may have rented from that site 5 or 6 times a year, but unless they tried the same scam on you more than once, it's still "plausibly deniable", and they would expect to get away with it.

    If neither you nor your friends noticed any windshield damage at the time you returned the car, it is likely that there was none.

    File a fraud complaint with Canadian authorities, since if they pull this type of scam once, they are likely to be pulling it on a frequent basis out of that site.  

    If there is a pattern of complaints sufficient to interest the authorities, a check of their records may find that either the repair records for the alleged damage will not exist, or the repair records and the rental records on the car will not be consistent with their claim that you caused the damage, for example if the car was rented out again after you returned it, and the inspections of the car for other renters indicated no damage.
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    tj
    People who engage in scams know through experience what it takes to achieve their goals, so they construct the con to contain those elements that will make it consistently succeed in most cases.

    What they don't realize is that the very elements they choose to employ to succeed in a con shows that the con is an intentional, constructed sequence of events, based on planning and practice, and not something that "just happened".

    The unexpected charge, that is late, but somehow already "too late" to dispute, is the tip-off.
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    tj
    It appears that the credit card dispute period for the added charge is passed, but it wasn't at the time you originally disputed it with the rental agency.

    Normally, you would want documentation on any alleged damage (repair invoice, for example) so you could submit a claim to your insurance company, or file a claim with your credit card linked car rental policy.  It would therefore be normal for a rental agency to be able to provide such documentation if they were claiming damage.

    Instead, they attempted to block your dispute of an irregular charge, and they did it with a lie.

    When people lie, they do it for a reason.

    Why would they lie when faced with a dispute, when they could instead just substantiate their claim?
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    Stew
    I appreciate all your comments. In fact, I did request proof of the repair in the form of an invoice or a phone # so I could substantiate the claim against me. When I requested this, I was told that it was not their company policy to provide this information and I was given a phone # to call if I wished to pursue the matter further. I called the number and was put in contact with an off-shore CSR that barely spoke or understood english. Finally reached someone who could understand me (a bit) and was told I would in fact be able to source the invoice for the repair but it wouild cost me an additional $90 processing fee for them to dig up the bill and send me a copy. There's no way in hell I am going to give an offshore CSR my cc# over the phone, despite the fact that the request for this fee is absolutely ludicrous. When I called National's Cust. Serv. # in Tulsa and got a hold of someone who speaks our language, they implied I was lying and denied any company policy that charges a $90 fee ... they flat out told me that I was responsible for damage, I was lying to save $400 and that the decision of whether or not to provide me with any proof was there's only to decide and in no way were they obligated to support their damage w/ proof of damage such as a repair bill or ph#. I asked "Stalin" what kind of customer service help line this was and I was hung up on. There is no way that car was damaged in any form during the period I was in control of the vehicle. I returned the car and the National employee and I both chatted for 5 minutes while he waited for my bill to print and looked the car over. If a car needs a windshield repaired or replaced, clearly visible damage would be evident, and it was not. Clearly, this was a cleverly orchestrated scam on an unsuspecting customer, perpetrated on a grand scale - it seems - on many others on a grand scale: just because the scammer is a large, internationally known car rental company does not mean they are honorable and National Car agency is definitely at the top of my list of unscrupulous businesses. Such a large company can easily get away with this scam simply by virtue of their size and the fact that they don't care a whit if you leave to do business with a competitor: there's always going to be an infinite # of unsuspecting rubes ripe for the fleecing as far as they are concerned.
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    Stew
    Follow -up: I guess someone at National saw my post and one Martha J Zimmerman e-mailed me on Feb. 1st and requested I contact her ASAP to discuss. I sent her an e-mail within 24 hrs, and got an out of office automated reply with an alternate contact name and ph# - I called the # (Dan Gass) and had to leave a voice mail. No reply as of yet. I e-mailed Martha Zimmerman and have yet to receive an acknowledgement of any kind. I did get one return call from a Steve Tudela who is a higher up at the Toronto location, but that was a result of my own efforts. I'd tried contacting him for several weeks but my calls were screened by the receptionists and was told he doesn't take calls. I left several messages for him with the girl I spoke with and I guess one of them actually found it's way to Steve. We discussed the issue and he promised to call me back once he was able to corroborate the chain of events. I guess I wasn't that convincing. That was Feb 2 or 3 ... I still have not heard back from anyone which proves to me that they are glad handing me and hope I get frustrated and go away. Does it really take almost two weeks to get back to someone? I e-mailed Martha Zimmerman (again) this evening, and guess what? Yep - another out of office assistant automated reply with Dan Gass' ph# as a contact - same guy who never returns calls. And the circus ride goes round and round and round ...  too many chiefs and not enough indians IMO. Eight levels of management and no-one actually does any work. At this point it is a huge joke. I will continue to update you on National's non-performance simply in an effort to show them up in return for their shabby treatment. Oh, I am traveling on business again and rented another car - my agent booked it thru Enterprise and it has been brought to my attention that Enterprise is National (they are partners). I will cancel that "reservation" and book with another company. To be continued I am sure ...
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    Stew
    March 17th ... still not a word from anyone. Promises to call me back after verifying what occurred have not been honored. I will keep this in mind when making all future travel plans. Sad. What do these people get paid to do?
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    Wayne C
    I totally understand where you're coming from Stew. I rented a car from them in Feb 2010 which was the first time I have rented from National ever and will be the last. The car had existing damage and no one informed me that I was to do my own inspection. As I was passed from counter to counter to booth I realised that no inspection was done. I reached home less than half hour later and called them immediately, was put on hold for an hour. Eventually I spoke to a rep that filled out a report for me where I told him there was damage before I picked up the car. He said fine, I didn't need to take the car back and everything was noted on the report.
    I returned the car to them and the customer rep and attendant who took the car from me were made aware of the damage, I confirmed with them that the damage was before I rented the car, that they had the report and I was not going to be charged anything extra.
    Two months later now I get a letter from them asking for $936 worth of damages. I am currently disputing the charge, but the claims adjuster says that I probably won't be successful as I have to provide proof the car was damaged before I rented it, because their history shows there is no damage to the car even though no inspection was made of the car when I took it.

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