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Country: United States
I ordered a trial order of Wen by Chaz Dean hair products in July 2011 and I didn't receive it until September.  I was not satisfied with the product.  It did nothing for my hair or for any of my family members as well.  I attempted to get a refund and close my account over the phone on Oct 1, 2011.  The first customer representative was an older male named Robert.  When I told him I was not satisfied with the product he tried to get me to order more product as if he didn't hear a word I said.  I told him I wanted to close my account and request a refund because I did not have the product for more than 60 days as their website gives a 60 day refund guarantee.  Their clever though to stipulate a requirement that you must return the whole package and its contents back to them before they will process a refund to you.  This Robert told me they had already sent out a 90 day package and they have already charged my credit card (2) installment payments and he asked me if I will make the third installment payment right then and there even though I had already requested a refund, told him I don't like their product and that I wanted to close my account immediately.  Honestly!  They don't care about their customers at all they just want to keep taking money from them.  This Robert told me that I had already received their 90 day package on Sept 8, 2011 and I told him no I did not receive anything in the mail from them and that their first trial shipment took over a month for me to receive.  I asked him to send me proof that I had received their product and he said they are not allowed to do that and that I had to go to my post office and get a confirmation from them.  So I asked him how can I get a confirmation from my local post office for something that I never received in the first place and he changed the subject and did not give me an answer.  He told me that all he could do was mail a letter that I was to sign and it would validate that I did not receive their shipment and it would take 1-2 weeks to get my refund and it would take 12-48 hours for my online account to be closed.  After talking to Robert I called back again and spoke to a Jonetta (these people do not give their full names if at all their real names).  Jonetta's answers to the same questions I had asked Robert was not consistent at all.  Jonetta told me it would take 3-4 weeks to get a refund and it takes 12-78 hours before my account will show "Inactive Status" online.  Jonetta also gave me what I believe is a bogus employee no. 21776202.  I don't believe that people are given such long employee numbers.  Both Robert & Jonetta had a very rude and defensive tone of voice when I questioned their policies, their service and after I told them I wanted to close my account.  After the useless conversation with both these supposedly customer representatives I immediately emailed a complaint with my credit card institution for fraud.  While waiting for my credit card institution to do their investigation and get my money back, I did an online complaint to their state of Iowa's Attorney General's office of consumer complaints and I did an online complaint to a National Consumer Complaint website and now this complaint on Complaint Wire and I will continue to file complaints on every consumer protection website I come across to warn everyone about this scam of a company Guth Renker Store.

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    Barbara C.
    | 1 reply
    Paragraphs are your friend. You would be more apt to receive help if your message weren't so difficult to read.
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      Jennifer P. replies to Barbara C.
      Your unhelpful comment is tactless and rude, Barbara.  This is not school and you are not grading homework here.  If you can not read the OP's complaint and decipher what the problem is, then you are already too powerless to fix any issues they have.  Move on and troll elsewhere, please.
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    Bill I.
    I also ordered this product in October.  I received it in the mail in a few days. I read the invoice and noticed that If I do not cancel automatic shipment that I would be billed 98 dollars for the next shipment.  I called the number on the invoice and was guided through a telephone cancellation. The person said I would receive an email in one or two days cancelling my automatic shipments.  

    A week went by and still no email. I contacted my credit card company and asked them to cancel the card and issued me a new one, which they did.  

    A few days ago I noticed a charge from Wen Chaz Dean on my account, contacted the credit card company and asked them about the charge, the representative told me they already took care of it and that I should put a block on the company, which I did, luckily I was not charged any further.  These people are leeches.
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    Mjlads
    I was also a victim of this scam.  I never ordered a membership or any sort of renewal but keep getting products sent to me and my credit card has been illegally charged over and over by them.  The best way to address this is to call your credit card company and tell them not to allow any charges from this company.  If that fails, then you should cancel your credit card.
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    tj
    This is a common fraudulent charge cramming scam.

    There is no reliable way beyond shutting down access to your money to stop them from continuing to take it.

    File fraud disputes with your bank, and have them block the card number or close the account due to fraud to prevent additional fraudulent charges.  If you dispute within 60 days of the statement date of the statement showing the disputed charges, your bank can reverse them under FRB Reg. E or FCBA.

    FTC recently shut down a similar group of scams run by Jesse Willms.
    http://www.ftc.gov/os/caselist/1023012/index.shtm

    File fraud complaints with FTC, your state Attorney General, and at www.ic3.gov
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    Jane
    | 1 reply
    I bought the Wen Hair Care.  Then, when I was proceeding to pay, they asked me if I wanted totally free vitamins.  They sent me the shampoo and vitamins. Then I didn't like the Wen, because it made my hair greasy, so I cancelled no biggie.  Then a few months later... I received a bottle of vitamins in the mail, from "Endless Youth" (their vitamin company).  So, I'm like hmmmm why did they send me another bottle of free vitamins??  Then a few months after that, I see a charge on my debit card for $38.92, from GRC Vitamins aka Endless Youth Vitamins aka Wen Scam.  I call up Wen, they transfer me to "Endless Youth" (they claim is its it’s own company). They said they could not credit me back my $38.92, because I had to of cancelled my subscription to them "Endless Youth", and Wen is not the same thing...(Even though they are obviously linked).  So, I cancelled to them.  If they charge my card ever again, for their BS fake free vitamin scam, I am going to take higher measures.  This is fraud!  They're like, the only way we can give you back your money for the vitamins, is if you return the vitamins, un-opened and pay return shipping.  Which is probably like $10.  And it will take 5 weeks to credit you back the money.  Well duhhhh I opened your gross vitamins... you said they were FREE. SCAMMMMMM!!!!
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      Truth replies to Jane
      I ordered the 19.95 proactive with dark spot corrector. They took two payments of 25.95 so i called to correct the matter and they only refunded me 19.95 saying iv got to pay for the shipping, yet it's 5/17/12 and i ordered on 4/20/12 and havent recieved neither the paid for package or the refunded package . Finally! I get my package on 5/24/12. Next thing i know i have another charge deducted from my account by GRC vitamins, which i never authorized for 32.95. I called again to correct the matter and they tell me i asked for a free vitamin sample with my 19.95 order, key word Free but i never recieved any vitamins. Account specialist said to me they cant refund my money because it has already been shipped out but what i can do is, when i recieve it, send it back, and they will refund my money then but not the shipping and handling.. funny thing is i never asked for the free vitamins..SO WHERE THEY DO THAT AT?!!!
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    Susie
    I like the product but don't like the fact that Wen will not take no for an answer.  Everyone is business would like to know that they will receive funds each month.

    Wen sent me a cancelation notice but also told me that I may have additional charges? What does this mean?  I have read the review and only one person has contacted the attorney general's office.
    why is this?
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    Sonya
    | 1 reply
    I too order these products, if you all listen to what you are told when you order it is very clear that this is a replenishment program and you can call to cxl anytime, it is not a scam! Guthy Renker is know for great products and will work with you thru financial situations and lets YOU control your account to get what you want and how often you want. If you want to buy it single for a one time you can, jusst pay regular price and be on your way! Shame on you all for saying that its a scam I hav enjoyed beoing a preffered customer.
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      Jennifer replies to Sonya
      I have ordered Wen for myself and cancelled without any problems.  I also have three kids who over the years I have purchased Proactive off and on for years and I have never had a problem cancelling.  One time I received only the envelope and not the proactive box that should have been attached, I called them and they immediately sent a new one out to me.  Sonya is correct that you control your account, although both products ship out every other month you can extend it to be every 4 months if you choose and call back and extend it again.  You just have to keep up with it or they will ship it and bill you...it's pretty simple.

      I use to work for a telemarketing company who processed orders for various products advertised on TV and when ordering a product they have a screen that pops up specifically for that product.  They also try to get you to order other stuff and ususally will offer vitamins or a magazine for free, and if you listen they will tell you to call and cancel or you will be billed for future shipments.  I think people are often frustrated because they only want to order the one product and here "free" and don't listen to what they are agreeing to.  This is why I like to do my ordering on line so I can fully read and know what I'm ordering and what the offer is.
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    sarah
    You can purchase all of these products through amazon.com, upon spending countless hours battling.with these scam artists, cancelling numerous debit cards and such, i found a better way. If u qualify for amazon prime, u get free 2 day shipping. [***] beats guthy any day. Woop woop.
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    sarah
    Love how this website automatically blurrs out the word [***]. Oh technology. Haha
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    Jessica
    I ordered WEN for the first time last month, and i love it. But I guess I missed something, and I wasn't aware that they billed you automatically. So, I ordered a new one, and noticed that it charged me twice, assuming i ordered another one around the same time they automatically billed me. So, no big deal, I made a mistake. So i called wen and spoke to someone, I forgot the name(but she is right, i dont think they use real names), and simply asked to go ahead and close my account, because i did not feel comfortable with being billed automatically, ( also, for some reason they said i had three accounts, which made no sense cause I only made one.) And now about two weeks after calling to cancel, my account has a 40 dollar charge from WEN, that i did not place. So I definitely agree on this being a Scam. I am extremely unhappy, and may report this.
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    Chelsea
    WEN is a huge scam. When I receive 2 starter packages for 29.95 2 days apart I called and said that there was a mistake I had only ordered one. They told me if I didn't cancel they sent out another one.  I explained how I had even had an opportunity to try the product; I was fully aware that they would send another month's supply if you didn't cancel, but didn't realize they would charge me for it right away. I talked to several customer service representatives. One told me that I had 3 accounts in my name, and they were already sending me out an additional package. Such a scam! Anyway, I finally confirmed that I would receive a refund in 3-5 business days. I waited 3-5 days and it never came, so I called again and they said that there must have been a mistake. I was able to receive a credit after spending about an hour on the phone with 3 different reps. I will never use this product again, as I received the worst customer service. In addition, they must not have much faith in their product if they try to rope you into receiving more than you signed up for.
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    Miriam Everett
    Wen has been the best product I ever purchase, Is amazing,However ,no many people appreciate the best of the best .
    My advice is .
    REED THE INSTRUCTIONS!  REMEMBER YOU'RE NOT THE ONLY ONE TRYINGTO GET YOUR HANDS ON  WEN PRODUCTS .
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    KIMBERLY
    | 1 reply
    Hi, I NEED SOME HELP PLEASE. I first ordered the trial for $9.99 back in December through a mail in check order. I didn't like the product as it made my hair greesy. I didn't sign up for the monthly shipments, but I recieved one in March. However, it had someone elses name and address on the invoice. I though it was a mistake and didn't think anything of it at the time.

    I just recieved a letter in the mail yesturday from the NORTH SHORE AGENCY (NSA) saying that that it was a "Statement Collection Agency Involvment that had been retained by Chaz Dean Continuity". It said I had a debt of $104.77! Wen hadn't mailed me any previous invoices, so I didn't know I owed them anything. I didn't even know I was a member of Wen until I called the 1-800 number. Their customer service reps were rude and unhelpful! I explained that I had thought they had just mailed me the second box by mistake since it had the wrong name and address on the invoice. Yet, in their computer system the bill came up under my name. They refused to waver my bill even after I said I would send back the unopened box with the unused products. Their refund policy is only good for 60 days from the time of shipment. They did cancel my account or so they said they did and that they would look into the fake name and address on my invoice which also had an account number. I asked for a corporate phone number to complain to and they gave me an address @ 3340 ocean park blv, santa monica, CA 90405.

    I really don't think I should have to pay the $104.77, but I am worried about the debt collector billing me! HAS ANYONE HAD THE NORTH SHORE AGENCY COME AFTER THEM??  I didn't orig. pay with a credit card so I can't derail payment that way. WHAT CAN I DO? PLEASE PLEASE HELP!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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      tj replies to KIMBERLY
      FTC settlement with Expert Global Solutions and its subsidiaries, including NCO and NOrth Shore Agency.

      http://www.ftc.gov/opa/2013/07/nco.shtm

      "For Release: 07/09/2013
      World's Largest Debt Collection Operation Settles FTC Charges, Will Pay $3.2 Million Penalty
      Largest Civil Penalty Ever Obtained by the FTC Against a Third-party Debt Collector

      The world’s largest debt collection operation, Expert Global Solutions and its subsidiaries, has agreed to stop harassing consumers with allegedly illegal debt collection calls and to pay a $3.2 million civil penalty – the largest ever obtained by the Federal Trade Commission against a third-party debt collector.

      In its complaint, the FTC charged that the companies violated the Fair Debt Collection Practices Act and the FTC Act by using tactics such as calling consumers multiple times per day, calling even after being asked to stop, calling early in the morning or late at night, calling consumers’ workplaces despite knowing that the employers prohibited such calls, and leaving phone messages that disclosed the debtor’s name, and the existence of the debt, to third parties.  According to the FTC’s complaint, the companies also continued collection efforts without verifying the debt, even after consumers said they did not owe it.

      Under the proposed order, whenever a consumer disputes the validity or the amount of the debt, the defendants must either close the account and end collection efforts, or suspend collection until they have conducted a reasonable investigation and verified that their information about the debt is accurate and complete.  The proposed order also restricts situations in which the defendants can leave voicemails that disclose the alleged debtor’s name and the fact that he or she may owe a debt.  

      Also under the proposed order, the defendants must:  stop falsely representing that they will not call a number to collect a debt; not harass, oppress, or abuse a consumer while attempting to collect a debt; not communicate with third parties about a consumer’s debt; not communicate with a consumer at his or her workplace if it is clearly inconvenient or prohibited by the consumer’s employer; except in limited circumstances, cease communications if a consumer has requested no further contact or if a consumer refuses to pay a debt; and not violate any provision of the Fair Debt Collection Practices Act.  The defendants also are required to record at least 75 percent of all their debt collection calls beginning one year after the date of the order, and retain the recordings for 90 days after they are made.

      With more than 32,000 employees and revenues in 2011 of more than $1.2 billion, the Texas-based Expert Global Solutions and its subsidiaries – ALW Sourcing, LLC; NCO Financial Systems, Inc.; and Transworld Systems, Inc., which also does business as North Shore Agency, Inc. – collectively are the largest debt collector in the world.  In addition to their U.S. offices, the companies operate in Canada, Barbados, India, the Philippines, and Panama.
      ..."

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