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masterpeeeeee
Country: United States
National Check Resolution P.O. BOX 491406 Lawrenceville, Georgia 30049 Phone: 877-348-3599
Stanley johnson sr.risk manager.

I got a call just like corina and procced to give them my info including debit cards. We agreed to make monthly payments in the amout of $210 for 3months. Unfortunatley for them I gave them a pre paid card. I wanted to make sure these people are legit. My first payment is due on aug 20. I assume they had no luck thus far trying to take $$$ out of my pre paid card so they will wait till this month. Should I give in and pay? Funny thing is I just recently received an email from them only after I call them the day before @ midnight by accident. They must have caller id. Our first call was in mid july. Please can someone advise me on my situation I have a few weeks before my first due date. Lastly their email header or address comes in a weird form like this
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    Sarah C.
    Don't do it.
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    Masterpeeeeee
    | 7 replies
    Here are all the facts. All in I found out in the last 24hrs. I borrowed $$$ from a online lender named Triple LLC for $300. I paid them alone $180 in interest only. They closed my account because they couldn't athorize taking funds from my new account #, which I gave them authorization to do so. The very next day after clossing my account they sold it to NCR. I just found out today from TRIPLE llc that NCR is now in charge of my account. So I do want to pay my debt, but unfortunatley they(ncr) can only settle it to $600 to be paid in 3monthly installments. So unless anyone can advise me why not to pay a debt I admit I owe to NCR I guess I am fuc ked. I am situated in Ca.
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      Sarah C. replies to Masterpeeeeee
      Please insist that they mail you an itemized statement.  How and why, exactly, did the $300 become.$600, especially since you already paid $180?
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      tj replies to Masterpeeeeee
      If this "debt collector" won't put anything in writing, and won't even send you the FDCPA "g" letter notifying you of the debt and of your right to dispute and request proof you owe it, then they are not only violating FDCPA, but probably running a scam, either faking that you owe them, or padding the actual amount owed.

      If they don't follow the law, they aren't likely to sue either, since they are depending on threats instead, but to play that game, they have to stay hidden.

      Why don't you contact the California Attorney General, to find out whether the lender is even licensed to lend in California, through the California Department of Corporations?
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      tj replies to Masterpeeeeee
      | 4 replies
      So, presumably this is all by phone.

      Phone counts for nothing if anyone decides to "blow smoke", make up "settlement offers" then "lose" them, or sell off an already "paid" debt.

      What's in writing?

      You may be better just suing them for violations, through an attorney, and pay off the "debt" as part of a "settlement".  At least that has a chance of actually sticking.
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        masterpeeeeee replies to tj
        | 3 replies
        I decided afterall not to pay. I spoke with the original lenders supervisior and he told me that I shouldn't pay over $600 for a $300 loan not to mention I allready paid $180 in interest fees alone. I will take ur advise and not pay,( at least only the principle of $300) I don't know what will happen but fuk it if I go to court @ least I will feel better about it. Besides if NCR gets a $2300 judgement on me I am assuming the judge will give me time to pay it off.
        I am an honest person who is will to pay what I owe and intended to with the original lender Triple services LLC but they closed my account without notice. No email as to why or a phone call as to why? Just an email stating my account was sent to collections. I found out later that my account was closed because they were unable to update my new bank account information (which I gave them both verbally and in writting) but what happened was the person (brittney) in charge of my account was on vacation so she never updated the information. When the next due date came by the computer was unable to collect and was automatically sent to coolections without warning. Even their supervisor aplolgized but what good does that do me?

        Lastly I have been having an on and off phone conversation with the man they call chris. I believe him to be helpfull but his advise was to pay the overcharge amount to NCR. He even called them for me (so he says) and explained to me that NCR had the right to charge me $600 on a $300 loan. For the last 3days I called him over 6times and he convinced me to just pay and end the nightmare. Well I just called him and told him I rather be taken to court and pay over $2000 than be bullied over the phone. Chris seemed kinda shocked and dissapointed.. I wonder if he is associated with NCR in anyway? I hope not because I kinda liked chris. I will keep in touch if u guys want.  Also any tips on what to do is helpfull. I am trying to find out if Triple Services LLC is legal in california. There's no address on the loan docs. There number is 1-877-907-5387. Thanks a lot Tj. Hope ur right
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          masterpeeeeee replies to masterpeeeeee
          I know the message at the bottom might confuse u but I am going to fight this and see where it goes. $600 is too much
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          tj replies to masterpeeeeee
          He has no way to know whether you owe $600 on a $300 loan, or any other amount, without review of the loan terms, confirmed back with the original lender.

          The whole reason that FDCPA requires that debt collectors send a "g" letter is so that consumers are notified that they have the right to dispute alleged debts, and that they can request that the debt collector obtain proof of the debt from the original creditor and send it.  That is to stop just this sort of debt collection by threats and fabrication, making up fake "$2300 judgement" threats, and all the rest.
          It also helps verify that the debt collector actually has the right to collect, since if they didn't they would probably be unable to obtain debt documentation from the original creditor.

          Debt collection's not supposed to be some sort of poker game con extortion racket.  It's a legally regulated industry that is required to follow certain legal compliance procedures to ensure they only collect what is owed, and only from those who owe it.  Those who turn it into some con game are violating the law, and engaged in fraud.

          There is no requirement that this stuff be handled by phone, and in general, you aren't going to be ablie to pin down or resolve anything that way, expecially when you are dealing with a bunch of liars.

          So where's the "g" letter?  Did you get one, or not?
          And did you send a dispute and validation request letter?
          If not, why not?  Or is it because you didn't know you had the right, because they "accidentally" didn't send a "g" letter, or claim they "accidentally" sent it to some old address?
          Are they feeding you the common BS line about "it's too late to dispute, so you owe it"?

          You want to "settle", and actually have this end, get an attorney.
          And maybe they pay you.

          You want to spend the next 10 years playing shakedown tag on the phone, pay off these guys, and see your "paid debt" show up in some other sleazeball's hands in 6 months, like no payment ever happened.  That's the risk you run, and their illegal threats are telling you that.
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          will 13 replies to masterpeeeeee
          I got a vm left on my phone.about 3 days ago and it stated my name is Debra Hanson and case # she said tha their were two check fraud casrs against me .I ask her where she was calling from she said STP Group on behalf of their clients Triple services and cp investor she said that IS owed 1.06.70 .what confused me I told her I remember cp investor but I didn't know triple services .I told her that I had borrow 200 so where did the 350.   Come from she said interest and if I didn't pay  my case would be processed I was suppose to call and give them a debt card to draft it off but I didn't..I don't know what to do she is a american is triple service and cp investor two different companies.PLEASE HELP.
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    Masterpeeeeee
    | 1 reply
    Ty for ur comments tj and sarah. Yes NCR did send me an email in deatial of the payment structure for the original loan I took out. It names the original lender on this email. If u want I can post it or send u a copy. I called NCR today and asked them to send me a debt verification letter to my address(since they allready have it) he said he would. And like the person named christopher from the number above he explained it to me that my debt was passed allready three times. 1.Tripple llc 2.National credit adjusters who then fowarded to first recovery capital. I call First recover capital today and they verified to me that me debt is now sold to NCR. I am mad that I will end up paying over $1000 for a $300 loan when all is said and done. I would like to very much just not pay NCR this month and take my chances that they won't sue me. But if paying $200 a month for three months ends this ordeal, so be it.
    I have bad credit as it is so I don't care about my credit score. But I do woory about getting my wages garneashed. Especially since I just bought a home. What do u think I should do? Who should I call? Tj I am thankfull very much for all ur insight. Thanks. I will keep u guys updated
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      tj replies to Masterpeeeeee
      You are still doing all this by phone.
      And email is a joke.  Whose idea was it to send an email?  Theirs?

      How do you "verify" that what they sent by email was "verification obtained from the original creditor"?
      And how do you prove your payment to the current collector actually settles this particular debt, if some other collector comes along later and claims THEY own the debt, and they never got paid?
      What do you have?  A bunch of vaguely remembered phone calls?
      They are using email and phones for a reason.

      What you want is a paper trail of bills of sale.

      And despite the email, is the amount actually correct?

      Send letters, mailed certified, asking for verification.
      Better yet, you are thrashing around.  Get an attorney.
      www.naca.net

      It only looks cheaper until it costs you later.
      Penny wise, and pound foolish.
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    Masterpeeeeee
    Tj or anybody. I just found out that NCR actually has some sort of website.
    Www.ncr10.com.  Same number and adress. Hmm should I reconsider my stance?
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    Masterpeeeeee
    | 1 reply
    More info I just found.
    Bizapedia has their info along with a file# of 10047044
    Www.bizapedia.com/ga/NATIONAL-CHECK-RESOLUTION-INC.html

    Let me know what u still think?
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      tj replies to Masterpeeeeee
      Web pages, and registering a business mean very little, and says nothing at all about whether you are being fed a line of bull.

      Anyone can set up a web page.
      Even the Indian scammers are doing it.

      The debt collection shakedowns set up tens of LLCs, just cranking them out, all to hide behind.

      There is enough of a legal existence to show there probably is some company set up, which means if they are violating, and you sued, you might actually collect.

      Point is, until you establish verification of debt and chain of title, you aren't in a position to negotiate or settle anything.
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    Sarah C.
    Master,
    Try Googling National Check Resolution to see what kind of a reputation they have.  It ain't good.  Also, send copies of any correspondence with them to your state's Attorney General.
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    masterpeeeeee
    | 3 replies
    Just got back from work(graveyard shift) read ur notes. T.j. can u be my lawyer on this case? Jk. I will follow ur steps as best as I can. Yesterderday I spoke with an employee of my original loan co. She verified to me that my loan was sent to collections automatically by their system because nobody updated my new account#  I sent them via fax. Therefore it wasn't my fault but it doesn't matter now. She was also able to verify that NCR did buy my debt but she added like ur self had no right to make threats or charge me $600 on a $300 loan.  

    The way I see it just because NCR bought my debt, it doesn't give them a right to charge whatever they want. I will look more into the "G" letter. In the meantime NCR believes I will have funds in my card on the end of the month as part of the payment plan I verbally agreed to when I first spoke with them under duress.I am very sure the sh%t will hit the fan once they realize I defaulted on them. I will keep u guys updated.
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      tj replies to masterpeeeeee
      | 2 replies
      Yes it does matter now.

      They negligently stopped getting paid, and through that negligence generated this trumped up "debt".  You didn't ask them to do so, but they (and now this debt collector, that appears to be padding the debt) are now profitting from their own negligence.  Might not even have been negligence.  With payday loans at high rates, maybe it was intentional.

      Contact your state AG for assistance.

      As for a "g" letter, required by FDCPA to be sent by the debt collector, you either got one, or you didn't.  If you didn't, that can be a basis to sue them, as can the evidence that this debt collector is adding on additional amounts to pad the debt.

      At this point you have a mess, not entirely of your own doing other than you chose to borrow money from a sleazy outfit.  Get an attorney, or they will apparently take you for whatever they can dream up.  Your alternaitve is to keep throwing money at them, in which case why would they stop taking it while demanding more?
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        tj replies to tj
        | 1 reply
        By the way, trumping up a small debt, adding various fees, ignoring cancellations on memberships, etc, then selling it off to some separate debt collector, is a common form of fraud, commonly used by cramming scams, health club membership scams, and payday lending scams.  The hand off is used to confuse the issue from the original one of whether the "debt" is even really owed, to whether you can prove anything now that some third party is now demanding payment.  

        Legally, a purchaser of any debt has no more claim than the seller, so if the original debt is padded with fraud, the purchaser is no more entitled to payment of fraudulent amounts than the seller was, but such schemes are aimed at unsophisticated consumers, 95% of whom will never be represented by an attorney.

        When these schemes show up in repeated complaints against the same players, it becomes evident that they cooked up the scheme for just this reason.
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          tj replies to tj
          Who was the original lender?

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