Misinformation, misrepresentation of WFNNB - Watch ypur statements and DON'T GO PAPERLESS

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Kathleen
Country: United States
I have had my Express card since November 2009.  I am a bookkeeper by profession and I am meticulous in paying my bills on time and mostly, in full.  Records of my credit card payments will show this.

Approximately 2-3 months ago, I chose to have paperless statements because I thought, it will be a good way to save paper and help the environment.   I always get emails from Express and assume that  just like any credit card company such as Amex or Chase Freedom, they (EXPRESS) will email me each month a notice that my statement is ready.  I never got any email from Express reminding me of such.  The only emails I  get form them are emails about Sales and other promotions.  

On June 28, a woman from the World Financial suddenly called me around 8:15 am to inform me that I have a past due balance and that I have skipped two statements.  She called to collect and wanted my bank information that instant.  I told her that I didn’t have my checkbook.  We got cut-off because I was on the Metro-North train and the phone signal was not good.  Immediately, when I got to work by 9 am, I called Express’ 1-800 number to resolve the matter. As expected, it was the World Financial customer representative who answered.  I complained about how choosing the paperless statement started the problem for me because I never received any email notice from them.  I requested for a waiver of the late fee since it was clearly not my fault.  I requested to speak to a manager and she directed me to a supervisor named Cynthia.  I spoke to Cynthia and she confirmed that the reason that I may not have gotten any email statement was because the email I should be expecting should come from World Financial.  I chose the paperless statement from Express.com so it never occurred to me that I should be watching out for an emailed statement reminder from a company other than Express.com.  She added that oftentimes, our Inbox may not recognize the World Financial’s email and would thus, get redirected to the trash box.  Her statement obviously stated that 1) this is not the first time this has happened to a customer and 2) that she acknowledged that it was not a mistake that a client (like me) could have intentionally done to avoid payment.  However, despite her admittance she still told me that it is company policy that only half of the most recent late fee can be waived.  In this case, it is half of $20.  


I had no choice in the matter.  It was clearly World Financial’s irresponsibility and they basically were just telling me to “Shut up and Pay up”.  If this were HSBC or Chase Freedom companies, they would have at least apologized, waived the late payment fee as long as I agree to settle the balance on the phone to show my honesty.  When I called that day to talk to the manager, I was ready to pay my Express balance and close my Express card.  I was very disappointed in the way my account was handled and the callousness of World Financial Network’s representatives and their one-way policy.  Cynthia directed me to yet another representative whom she said will take my payment.  There was a $10 phone payment fee that I was also willing to pay just to get the matter settled.  The customer representative told me that she can easily find the routing number of my bank account even if I don’t have my checkbook with me.  With this, I gave her the name of my bank and account number.  She put me on hold and came back saying that she found the routing number.  She got all the information and confirmed my payment.  Then she directed me to another representative to close my account.  The new representative also confirmed that my account has been closed.

Today, July 6, 2010,  I received a statement in the mail saying that I still have not paid my balance of  $134.81.  Immediately, around 7:35 pm,  I called the Express number in the credit card, the voice mail confirmed that I paid the amount of $134.81 on 6/28/10 but I still had a balance of $134.81.  I spoke to a customer representative who told me that my payment returned since I didn’t give the correct routing number.  I told her that I gave my bank name and account number and Cynthia’s representative told me that she can easily locate the routing numbers for me.  This new representative explained to me that the customer representative who took my payment last June 28 was not from the same department as she was.  The previous representative was from the collections department while she was from customer service and this was the first time she has heard that a client can pay using his/her bank/name account without a routing number.  However, despite the representative’s mistake, the processing fee of $10 for phone payment could not be credited back to my account. According to this representative, if I were to make another phone payment, I will be charged another $10.

I honestly have never encountered anything like this in my 30 years of credit card experience, both here in the US and Internationally.  

All my conversations with each customer representative and supervisor should have been recorded and I challenge anyone to investigate and listen to all those recordings to verify that what I have been saying was true.  Apart from the supervisor’s name, Cynthia, I had not been able to get the other representative’s names but all their computer records should indicate the time and names of whom I had spoken too.  In fact, the last representative verified through her computer that I did make such a transaction and even knew who I spoke to.  She knew the name of the representative in collections who volunteered to locate the routing number for me to process my payment but didn’t tell me.

This is misrepresentation and deliberate dishonesty.  I was not made aware that I should be watching out for an email notice from World Financial Network and not, Express.com.  It was made known that orders and option for paperless statement can be seen and requested when we log in to Express.com’s credit card site and not World Financial Network.   Thus, I was forced to pay late payment fees, interest charges and phone payment fees for mistakes that I didn’t even commit.  I feel very sorry for those who are easily taken advantaged of because they either can’t voice out their complaints or are too busy working hard to earn and naïve to see the deception.

I also checked the FAQ about what happens after I enroll in paperless statements and this was the only thing it says:

.  After I enroll, when will I receive my first paperless statement?
A.  You will receive your first paperless statement on your next billing cycle. Depending on when your account last billed, you may receive one final paper statement.

The above answer found in Express.com’s credit card site does not help me understand that the emailed statement I will be getting will be from another company.  Moreover, the paper statements clearly shows Express.com.  Whatever internal arrangement Express.com has made with WFNNB, is for them alone and should not confuse the customers.  (Enclosed statement that clearly shows EXPRESS)


To date, I have written a check to pay for the $134.8.  I was told by the representative that I should just mail a check payment instead of paying online so I don’t pay the $10 fee again.

I am very concerned what this can do to my credit rating and score.  It is very disappointing and disturbing to take responsibility for a mistake I never committed.   The only mistake that I can think of is choosing to have a paperless statement.  If you don't want the $1 charge for paper statements, close your card.  You already got your 15% discount incentive already anyway.

I filed a complaint to the Better Business Bureau, Atty Gen's office and Federal Trade Commission.  I don't want this to keep happening to others.  It is not fair.  Even if this complaint doesn't change anything, I still believe in strength in numbers.  The people file a complaint, the more these agencies will take notice.  If there is a smoke, there must be a fire.  Keep recording all your conversations with these representatives.  Record the dates, time and name to have better ground.

Comments

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    tj
    You are correct.  Paperless statements expose you to risk of billing problems, which can only cost you.

    WFNNB generally handles store cards.  Although store cards may be a way to initially create a credit file, they seldom have competitive interest terms, and because they are captive to a particular chain, you may find they view their customers as sheep to be sheared rather than customers who may take their business to competitors.

    You are better off building credit with more general VISA or MasterCard credit cards for all purposes.  In addition to the likelyhood of more competitive terms, you want your bank on your side in any dispute with a merchant.
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    tj
    In addition, whether you use paperless or mailed paper statements, check all your accounts at least every 2 weeks, whether on-line or by phone.

    This will avoid surprises, allow you to track your debt on an accrual basis, and allow you to project your cash flow requirements more accurately so you can pay down debt faster.
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    Trisha Jackson
    Hi Kathleen,

    My name is Trisha Jackson. I work for Alliance Data, the parent company of WFNNB, the bank who services your Express credit card account. I apologize for the frustration we have caused you.  I appreciate the time you spent identifying all of your issues and concerns.  We strive to provide superior customer service. I'd like to off you the opportunity to contact me directly so that I can assist you further and learn more about this issue to provide additional feedback to our customer service department.  I can be reached at trisha.jackson@alliancedata.com.

    Trish Jackson
    Interactive Marketing Manager
    Alliance Data
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    tj
    Alliance Data Systems is the parent company to WFNNB.
    http://biz.yahoo.com/e/090917/ads8-k.html

    Contact is probably legitimate.
    http://www.linkedin.com/in/trisharjackson
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    chris
    I have a credit card with New York & Co. and everything was fine until I signed up for e-statements due to the charge of $1 for paper statements. I have not received any e-statements and called them about this once before. I just called them again about it yesterday (2/23/2011) due to still not getting them. I receive coupons and specials from NY&CO but not from the bank that handles the account. I now have a $25 late fee on the account that I only owed $75 on! It is against the law for them to charge this to me as I'm not receiving statements but I have no proof that they aren't sending them to me. I had cs rep read back to me my email address to see if it was correct and he read back to me a zero instead of an "o". I told him it's not a zero it's an "o" and he said he made a change to it but that it didn't change anything so it was in there right. HHHMMMM. then why on earth am I not getting anything from them???? I wouldn't mind paying the late fee if I was getting my statements from them but it really pisses me of when I'm not!! If anyone knows of anything I can do to prove that I'm not getting any emails from them please let me know. THANKS!
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    Trisha Jackson
    Chris,

    If you'll email me your full name and last 4 digits of your account number, I can investigate the email situation you've described.  Please also indicate the best time you can be reached.

    Our direct phone number for customer relations is 800-303-1368. They are available between 8am - 6pm EST.

    Trisha Jackson
    Interactive Marketing Manager
    Alliance Data
    trisha.jackson@alliancedata.com
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    Marie Busi
    Trisha

    I have a Credit Card for Loft, a clothing store for women.  In Dec. of 2010 I bought a Christmas gift.  In Feb.2011 I received a call from WFNNB Collection Dept.  that I had not paid my bill of $163.00. plus late fees and interest. I did call Loft and they took off one late fee of $25.  However, since I never received Jan., Feb.or March bills I thought it was wrong of them to make me pay a late fee of $35 plus the interest for 3 months,  I wrote them a letter on March 10 but in a letter dated April 3,2011 I received a letter from them stating how I could avoid late fees.  In no way did they address my letter to them which I thought to be very discourteous, nor did anyone sign the letter.  

    After reading the complaint letters of others I can see that it really would be a waste of time for me to pursue this matter further. However, I would never again use my Loft Charge or get involved again with WFNNB.

    Thank you for reading my complaint.
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    William Jones
    Trisha is useless. I had the same problem, all Trisha would do when I contacted her was forward me to collections. Way to go.

    Now I'm having the same problem with a second WFNB card. Not receiving statements, then getting hit with a late charge.

    This is criminal.
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    Kathleen
    I am not sure how to word this issue, but has anyone experienced trouble with their Express, Victorias Secret and/or LOFT cards when it comes to paying? The payment date is always 2 or 3 days ahead, making it very hard for me to keep track of when I have to pay, some months I have to pay the day before but as of now, it is impossible because when I go to pay, the calendar day is set 2 days ahead already? I don't mean to confuse anyone but when paying recently, has anyone else encountered this issue? With my LOFT card I was forced to pay same day, when I was trying to make the payment 2 days ahead of time! Please let me know if anyone else has this issue when making their payment, thanks everyone!
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    Kathleen
    I found this to back up my complaint, thought it was just me experiencing it! Beware bill payers!

    http://www.ripoffreport.com/financial-services/brylane-home-wfnnb/brylane-home-wfnnb-world-finan-45ae2.htm
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    tj
    Credit card companies are required to send out statements at least 14 days before the due date, to the latest address you have notified them of, in order to comply with FCBA, a federal law.

    Deliberate late mailing of statements to increase late payments is not only a violation of FCBA, but also violates state fair trade practices laws, and the FTC Act.  Several banks have been caught engaged in this practice, notably Providian about a decade ago, which settled allegations of this and other predatory practices for hundreds of millions.

    Contact FTC, your state Attorney General, and the Office of the Comptroller of the Currency to report violations in credit card billing.


    You are better off NOT using store connected credit cards at all, as the terms are seldom competitive, and they often follow predatory business practices toward their customers, figuring they are unsophisticated and have no other choice.  

    Common predatory practices include deceptive "interest free" periods that expire without advance notification, fraudulent cramming of "credit insurance" products, or "accidentally" late statement mailing.

    Store cards are only useful for initially establishing credit.  After that, build your credit rating with bank credit accounts based on the terms and reputation for integrity and reliability of the banks making offers.  

    Shun all lenders without integrity, as it will always cost you regardless of what they promise.
  • 0
    tj
    Stop using store cards.

    Use only bank cards, and reduce the number of creditors you have.
  • 0
    L Smith
    Hi Trish, I have the same problem with WFNNB. I signed up for paperless and didn't receive my statement and now they have reported on my credit report as late. I have called customer service telling them I've had the card 22 years and never been late. I switched to electronic statements and didn't get them. I had returned items so I didn't think I owed anything since no statement was sent.  I feel after 22 years of paying on time should be proof enough I would have paid if I knew I had a balance. Now reading Kathleen's story I'm assuming I might have received something under WFNNB not the stores name. I will take responsibility for that but it does not warrant a late payment on my credit report. I paid the late fee and balance. Please help.

    L Smith

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