Abusive to Elders

ComplaintsUnsolicited Phone CallsRegular American Veterans

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Jonathan B.
Country: United States
We just listened in on a call from a group calling themselves the Regular American Veterans 888.286.VETS(8387) badgering our 80 year old mother who suffers from pre-dementia cognitive impairment. Supposed federal tax exempt number 59-3280603 yet no mailing address on the pledge form. We've heard her tell them repeatedly to stop calling. This is both telemarketing abuse and elder abuse.

The caller spoke fast and intimidated mom, claimed that if she didn't keep giving it would come out of his pocket. He told her that she was cruel to neglect veterans by not giving. Intimidation tactics can even get physical,  including showing up at the door demanding payment.

Regular American Veterans have already nickled and dimed her for nearly $200 this year, $25 to $45 at a time. They have become increasingly aggressive, attempting to collect several times a week. This group needs to be shut down immediately. Mom is in the DoNotCall Registry and we'll be reporting this to the FCC as well at http://goo.gl/eNon

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    tj
    | 2 replies
    What you are describing is illegal elder abuse and financial exploitation by a telemarketer.  

    That is in violation of the Telemarketing and Consumer Fraud and Abuse Prevention Act, so you should report this to FTC, as well as your state Attorney General.  There may be additional state laws that apply to either telemarketers calling into your state, or to charity telemarketers specifically, possibly including registering or licensing, which may allow your state to take action against abusive telemarketing even from out of state.

    You should also contact your local District Attorney for assistance, as they may be more likely to honor a cease calling request from there.  They may have a department that deals with elder exploitation cases.

    http://www.consumerlaw.org/issues/seniors_ini ... elemarket.shtml

    You need to cut off all phone contact from such thugs, and not just these particular ones, since if she has been vulnerable to exploitation by them, she may be on sucker lists sold to others.  (You should review her bank statements to check.)  At the same time, you probably want to continue to give her as much independance as she can handle, and maintain phone access for safety reasons and so you can keep in touch frequently.

    You may need to change her phone number (to unlisted, and with no forwarding number to be provided by the phone company) to block this particularly aggressive telemarketer.  An additional possibility is to get both caller id, and a call screening box that blocks calls from ringing through unless a code is entered, since they can be effective in blocking the autodialers commonly used by telemarketers.

    If her account information is in the hands of these people, either because she has provided credit or debit card numbers or checking account numbers through payment by check, you may need to close those accounts or block those numbers to prevent attempts to cram fraudulent charges.

    You also need to consider taking control of her finances and access to her accounts, since if she cannot handle such exploitive attempts, she is likely to be vulnerable to exploitation by anyone who can get past whatever barriers you can put in place.  

    For example, if she is vulnerable to this type of high pressure exploitation, she might also be vulnerable to attempts to slip through phony "bills" sent by mail.  Perhaps there is a tactful way to handle this together, short of legal conservatorship, while still allowing effective review by you or other relatives of all bills.
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      David replies to tj
      The Name of the man overseeing the telemarketing is Richard Yelton lives in ontario California with Bank acounts at Citizens Bank. all telemarketers call from home.
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      anonymous replies to tj
      I also received a call from Regular American Veterans.  I could find no IRS number for them and nothing that shows they are legitimate.  If anyone is approached by this caller you should refuse and get your charities from Charitywatch where they are rated.  I think I will call the local police and ask them if they can watch for these people walking door to door to pick up envelopes in my area.
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    tj
    | 1 reply
    2004 AG report.
    http://www.ag.ca.gov/charities/publications/2004cfr/cfr_04_rpt.pdf
    "...
    REGULAR AMERICAN VETERANS FOUNDATION
    TEL-MAR PRODUCTIONS
    80,681.00
    12,102.00
    15.00[%]
    ..."

    This CA AG lawsuit shows up against Tel-Mar Productions and other charity telemarketers:
    http://ag.ca.gov/cms_attachments/press/pdfs/n ... iffs_(cops).pdf

    suggest you contact the California Attorney General, to find out who is currently reported as handling telemarketing fundraising for this organization, and for assistance in dealing with your problem.
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      Dave replies to tj
      The Name of the man overseeing the telemarketing is Richard and Rosell wife Yelton lives in ontario California with Bank acounts at Citizens Bank. all telemarketers call from home. They are a fraud they keep 95% of all revenue for them selfs and to show for it!
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    Lily W
    Jonathan, I just talked to "Bill Harris" this morning- He announced his name and charitable status and said that he was calling because I told him last year to call in 2010, so he was following up. In May of this year, 2010, I agreed to purchase a flag!! That was just 4 months ago! At that time, I was getting fed up with his regular calls, so I tried to google the org and him. I wasn't comfortable with RAVF and told him so when I used the phone number I found through the google search. I'm looking at the receipt from May, and the tax id is the same as yours', 59-3280603. Anyway, When Bill called Again this morning, I politely told him that we were no longer going to support his organization and he HUNG UP ON ME, Without saying a thing!! STAY FAR AWAY FROM REGULAR AMERICAN VETERANS FOUNDATION!!!!!!!
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    L. Kelly
    For the last 3 years 2 of which my mother who has dementia has received calls from Regular American Veterans Tax Exempt No 59-3282603 and a phone number that no one ever answers 1 888-286-VETS for three years I've tried to call and no answer. This man comes over when my mothers alone with her caregiver and excepts cash only. And when you tell him not to come around again he gets rude and talkes back to you. I've call the police and the City of Glendale and they both say because I don't have the mans name which he doesn't put down on the receipt that we they can't do anything.
    Beware of this man whos works the La Crecenta and Glendale area.
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    This is a SCAM
    We had guy come to the door looking asking for money for Regular American Veterans. My husband turned him away (which was unusual, as he is active military). He gave my husband a flyer, asking him to call if he decided to donate.  I later looked at the flyer and noticed it was dated in October 2010, asking for donations tobe left at your driveway in October (it is now Dec.) Not to mention that the flyer boasts they have been assisting Vets for more than 100 years. Hmmmm, exactly which Vets were they assisting a hundred years ago...Civil War Vets, Spanish American War Vets? Anyway...The flyer had a local number, which I called. It was answered by a gruff-voiced man who seemed to think my name was "Babe". He had no idea who I was asking for, when I asked for Debra Morill, which is who this flyer was signed by. When I then mentioned something about Vets, he hemmed and hawed about it may be a friend of his. The conversation ended with me telling him that we were turning this over to the police. Not 5 minutes later, his "friend" called back, who was the man who came to our door. My husband took the call.  It became very clear that this is a scam, and we were given the same 1 888-286-VETS.  We will contact the police in the morning, and turn this over to them.
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    annon
    His name is Joey Sorce
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      S. Speers
      I have been sending donations to the Regular American Veterans for 14 years, after my (veteran) husband passed away, assuming that this was the organization he supported.  I was feeling good about doing an honorable deed in memory of my husband -- but a few months ago (being more aware of the possibility of fraud,  I decided to check out the organization.   I noticed on the website (Calif. Central Coast Division)  that the name of the commander, and phone numbers did not seem to match up.   I emailed them,  asking them to verify the validity of the person who sent me the requests for donations.    I included the "Federal Identity Number 59-3280603"  printed at the bottom of the letter.   I have never received a response of any kind.   Thank you for the FCC link.   I will file a complaint.
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      csg
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      My mother is recently widowed and just received a hand written letter with condolences from this group. Never heard of this organization or the person who signed the letter and after looking it up recommend staying far away. Do not know how they got her name and address! People like this should be ashamed and convicted of elder abuse. Any further contact and I will contact the ombudsman and law enforcement.
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        tj replies to csg
        Sounds like they are working the newspaper obituary section.
        With many newspapers, it's easily accessable online.

        Once you have a name, already screened for potential vulnerability, and a city of residence (usually also in the obits), getting an address is easy.
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      US vet
      This organization came to our door today trying to get funds. We gave him $3.00 and he went on his way. He even had a child with him. It looks like we gave money to a scammer. At least it was only $3.00 and we will not give any again! Shame on them!!
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      Bob
      How do you now that it was joey sorce
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      DSREYNOLDS
      We had someone come to our door today claiming to be collecting money for Regular American Vets. He was using the same tax ID# 59-3280603. We gave them $20.00, but now we know we have been scammed.  Do not talk to these people!

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