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nonamedebtcollector
Country: United States
DO NOT PAY THESE PEOPLE!!! I took a job with them in Kansas and in order to keep my job we had to use practices that were bordering on illegal and I believe that some of it was illegal. I worked for a debt collection agency that followed the Fair Debt Collection Protection Act and telling people that they are paralegals investigators and using aliases is illegal and deceptive and against fdcpa. I refused to use their practices and when I didn't collect 10,000.00 dollars worth of debt in my first month I was fired. I believe that they are buying bad debt. It's resale debt, debt been collected, and I believe some medical that is medicare and medicade fraud. I am trying to figure out a way to stop this.

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    At a loss for words(well, not really)
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    The motives were to maintain business relations with The law office of Daniel slane.  The FDCPA violations occurred after pressure was applied by Steven Slyh to increase collections.  Members of management instructed us to "go grey".  Misrepresentation was the biggest thing pushed.  "I have a meeting with the attorneys in 10 minutes and if I tell Mr.Slane that you refuse to take care of this voluntarily then he is prepared to send legal council to your state.  I don't know about your state but in mine your wages can be garnished by 50%". One of the worst used, "do you see that white car outside your house!? That is my process server and if you don't pay this debt RIGHT NOW I am going to have him serve you the legal papers".  Mr.Slane was not an active participant nor was any attorney for that matter.

    The debts were assigned to UMA by The Law Office of Daniel Slane.  UMA also had purchased debt as well. Some were clearly inaccurate and illegitimate.. (I.e. loans for vehicles that were repossessed by the creditor)

    I believe Cash Central was in compliance with all state laws.  I believe they should be more responsible with the defaulted collection attempts they assign to 3rd parties.

    We called from Kansas.  Majority of the Cash Central collections we made were in Ohio. All collections were made within the US.

    Loan cramming did not occur with cash central.  If I understand the term correctly, it is when a loan is lower than its original amount.  The amount was always the understood remaining balance of the original loan.
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      Seen it before.. replies to At a loss for words(well, not really)
      So basically the "law firm" was used as a paper tiger.

      I've often found that the lies used in these collection rackets contain interestingly twisted semantics, often lying by ommission, by implication, etc.  The deception was clearly intended, and the victim was in fact deceived, yet the perps think they can leave themselves a hole to crawl out of if they get caught.  It generally works, too, not in a legal sense, but as an additional deception of the victim.  It's really a "chicken" play.

      "I don't know about your state but in mine your wages can be garnished by 50%"
      There's the escape hatch, right up front.  The second part is a baldfaced lie.  Most states limit garnishment to 10% to 25% of takehome pay.  Some don't even allow it at all.  
      Does Kansas garnish at 50%?
      Does ANY state garnish at 50%?

      "do you see that white car outside your house!? That is my process server and if you don't pay this debt RIGHT NOW I am going to have him serve you the legal papers".  
      Mentalists will recognize  that as  a  "cold read", based on  the odds  that white cars are just very common.

      "Mr.Slane was not an active participant nor was any attorney for that matter. "
      Which would make all the threats or implications of some "lawsuit" violations of  FDCPA.
      Other collection agencies investigated for this sort of shakedown have been found to have conned and extorted relatives (despite the FDCPA violations due to third party disclosure) and even unrelated strangers called and threatened by mistake.

      I ask about "loan cramming" because it shows up in one pattern associated with the "shakedown" style of "payday loan" debt collection, due to the total illegallity of the actual "debt", and appears to have an association with the Buffalo area.
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      Seen it before.. replies to At a loss for words(well, not really)
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      As a generalization of well known "phone cramming" (unordered "ring tones", "services", "voicemail", etc), cramming is simply the fraudulent stealing of money from consumer accounts under cover of a fabricated pretense.  The "story" can change all over the place, but the structure and mechanics of the game remain the same:  set up the appearance of a "business", get the victim's account number, start repeatedly taking money from the account under some pretense, then use various deceptive or intimidating tactics to block attempts to recover the stolen funds.

      By "loan cramming" I was referring to the illegal practice of depositing a phony "loan" into a sucker's bank account (typically in the $150 to $300 range), then rapidly removing it all in just a few weeks before he figured out what was up, then pretending not only that there was some "loan agreement" at rates above 450% APR (even 900% after "fees"), and  that  this  "loan" was "interest only" so that all money taken, even at these outragous rates, did not diminish the "principal" still owed.  Only way to stop it was for the victim to shut down his bank account, after which he would be hounded by "debt collectors" calling to collect the rapidly growing "principal", which "compounds" every 2 weeks at this "900%APR" rate to allegedly "several thousand dollars" (which is all gravy, as the original "lender" got back several times their "investment" even though the "loan" violates TILA all over the place.  

      You might think, how could anyone actually get away with this?  First, the victim never actually agreed to anything.  Predators choose victims, not the other way around.  The victim typically had applied on some "payday loan" "broker" or "lead" site, that then sold his information, including name, address, employer, SSN, DOB, bank account number, etc, to whatever "lenders" would buy it.  Some just pestered the sucker with calls offering loans at high rates, while the "loan crammers" made a call, commonly got no "agreement", but deposited the money anyway to create the pretense of a "loan" (and a "contract" the terms of which had never even been disclosed), and away they all went.  Closest thing to loan sharking or protection shakedowns you will find over the phone.

      The "lenders" typically show up hiding behind overseas or Carribean LLCs,  (or in some cases "located in tribal jurisdiction"), to complicate legal jurisdiction.  Once they are done draining the victim's bank account, or it gets shut down, the "debt" is sold off to "debt collectors", who can deny any knowledge of the fraud with a straight face.  Many are concentrated in Buffalo and Las Vegas areas, severel periodically show up in Florida, and maybe a few scattered in several midwest states.  As you can probably guess, the game is in how much pressure to apply, and how not to go too far so you don't have some AG sniffing around.

      This is typical.  Note the reply (probably by one of the "debt collectors" working this scam), which is the argument used in the shakedown calls.
      http://www.ripoffreport.com/r/SGQ-Processing/nationwide/SGQ-Processing-I-applied-for-a-payday-loan-and-they-deposited-300-without-my-authorizatio-440267

      BBB in Kansas City MO had a warning out on one cluster of them.  Apparently they were using P.O. Boxes in Kansas City as mail drops under about 10 different names and BBB was getting complaints.
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      | 1 reply
      I received a call from the office of Daniel Slane just yesterday. I am also getting calls and threats of them showing up at my residence (this is when I actually answer the phone). Whoever these callers are, are now resorting to calling people in my home town asking information about me.
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        old employee replies to Ashley
        To not pay them. I worked for them when they were also known as UMA. That is a violation. Call and report them,  there is nothing they can do to you.  They will not file suit againts you. They wont show up to your house. They are just trying to bully you into paying.
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    friendofthecourt
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    There is nothing wrong with collecting on auto deficiency loans, where the car has been repossessed. Commonly done in the industry. There is not much you can do regarding your allegations. The law is designed to encourage consumer enforcement.
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      Seen it before.. replies to friendofthecourt
      Nothing wrong as long as it complies with state and federal law.  FDCPA and state equivalents.
      Also, many states require that on repossessions, the debtor be timely notified of the deficiency after sale at auction.
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    Knowledge
    I have received several calls from the Office of Daniel Slane. They have gone on to leave messages on other people's telephone who they think are relatives or friends. I know that customers who are not on the account, don't have any right to know the information of anyone else. I have read the complaints of other people. I know some collectors may not like their job but it's a living until they can find another job. If the employer, job and its duties sickens you, don't take the job. i have passed on jobs before becase I didn't like the company's practices or the supervisors. You have to stand for something or you will fall for anything. Thank you everyone who have given their advice and opinion. It has helped alot.
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    CFPB
    I have filed a complaint with the CFPB on this company personally they ask questions which are very illegal as in have u been convicted of check fraud as well threatening garnishment which they have no intent to take they offer false benefits to their employees sooner or later they will be shut down and I am making sure of it. They are mean people and lie to get people to pay which is a direct violation. Try using kindness not threats. If you receive a call from them please contact the FTC and the CFPB cause they deal with banks and they will if you let them violate your rights as a consumer.
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    Notice
    | 4 replies
    United Management Associates, LLC does not have any affiliation with the Law Office of Daniel Slane, LLC.
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      Not anymore replies to Notice
      | 3 replies
      Maybe not now because jordan either screwed them over as well, or he got screwed twice as hard as he was screwing everyone else. Would make since why you switched banks after disassociating yourself from them. Even the people at your previous bank know your up to something, when I went to cash my check "look they switched banks AGAIN" lol it will all catch up to you in the end your little partner siobhan is driving your company into the ground HARD and were all laughing at you. :) have a great day jordan!
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        laughing very hard replies to Not anymore
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        They even changed the company name to air capital something. Funny you cant even pull up thier website anymore. Wonder what they are hidding from.
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          Alot replies to laughing very hard
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          Alot im sure! I heard their out of business now
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            Jumpsuit? replies to Alot
            Jordan and Siobhan successfully ran the business in the ground. They couldn't sell crack to drug addicts.

            I think orange is a good color for them.
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    anonymous
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    You know I'm not gon diss you on the internet
    Cause my mama taught me better than that... Lol I'm a collector in nyc & I see bitter people hate online 24/7, pathetic much?
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      yea im sure replies to anonymous
      Must be siobahn. ( not sure the spelling ) only she would talk like that.
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    informant
    If Steven Slyh ever calls you ask him about his home in Independence Villiage. The one he fled and took the mail box from the curb with him. I'm fairly certain he was being forclosed on.  Or how he was run off of the Groveport Madison School board. He made it maybe a month or two before dissapearing from town. He also had a person come to the school board representing himself as an attourney who did not have any right to represent himself as one. That got his friend in trouble. This guy is bat [***] crazy, and ethics have not place with him in my opinion. .

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