Home Preservation is bull shit

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Anonym
Country: United States
I just want to inform everyone that Wells Fargo's Home Preservation department is useless and very deceiving. In the last few years I have faced numerous hardships due to medical conditions, unemployment, and salary cuts, in which I had used  all my savings and 401k, because "Wells Fargo's Home Preservation Program", failed to provide any help and I was denied any help every time. A common phrases I heard numerously were “we can’t do anything for you Sir”, “we’ll have one of our specialist call you back”, and “this call is an attempt to collect a debt”. This program will not work, but influence the buyer to continue paying their mortgage thinking help is on the way, “NOT TRUE”, while Wells Fargo is receiving money and continuing foreclosure on your house. If you noticed that every department from Wells Fargo, when they call the 1st thing out of their mouth is, “this call is an attempt to collect a debt”, which advice you to pay immediately. In the same day Wells Fargo inform me that my home had trigger the initial proceedings for foreclosure and notify you that you have 34 days for repayment (this was more like a threat than a notification) and later that day I was contact by this department and was told different, which recommended to continue payments and my loan will be reviewed by an underwriter within 30-60 days.  Wells Fargo is full of s***, they don’t care about you; because the loans are insured and they will get paid no matter what. Their goal is to squeeze your money while they’re following the state foreclosure guidelines. This is why the government is currently auditing the bank’s foreclosures in search of foul play. Im in my last proceeding and I trying to borrow money from family members to repay the passed due amount…..”Why you may ask?” This is my roof over my head and all my money has been invested in this home, I don’t want to lose it for just $8K. I recommend that if your facing this situation it’s better to make a decision early and decide to either stop paying mortgage and save your money (live free for 6 to 18 months free) or borrow money and make your account current only if you believe you can continue paying your mortgage for at least another 1-1.5yr. Don’t depend on Wells Fargo to provide any help or alleviated your situation. Avoid working with Kevin Finnen and Zanarda Johnson Home Preservation Specialist.

They don't want you to qualify and they ask for the same documents numerous times, change process, change forms, and change personnel in the process to start all over, and missing information, which was never requested.


Check this websites:
https://www.wellsfargo.com/press/2010/20100115_HAMP
http://www.johnmschwarzlaw.com/wells-fargo-analysis-50-fail-hamp-eligibility/

Comments

  • 0
    goz2fast
    | 1 reply
    I know how awful it must be in an economic downturn to get behind on your mortgage, however, I don't know what you think a bank can do for you in that instance. Unless you can afford the payment, which most people cannot, you can't expect the bank to carry the payment for your, or modify it so you owe less than you do, unless you agree to a short sale which in turn makes the bank lose their shirt on the deal.  It is awful what has happened, and quite frankly, I wouldn't get mad at the banks...I would be mad at the politicians who forced the banks to make loans that would never be paid back, causing the financial malaise we see in the economy now...but people just keep voting in the same dolts who caused the problem.
    • 0
      same story here replies to goz2fast
      I have to disagree.    My husband and I purchased our first home in 2011.  We bought a modest home,  with a sales price much less than we qualified for.   Our mortgage is
      less than the market rental prices in our area.  My husband, a police officer,  lost his job after 6 years- due to budget cutbacks.   All we were hoping for was a little assistance until he secures another job.  Nobody can predict their future,  and not everybody purchased homes out of their budget.
  • 0
    Anonym
    After reading all of these posts, I am amazed.  I thought I was the only one going thru misery at the hands of this company. I lost my job two years ago and have been unable to get another one.  I was 62 years old when my company closed and try getting a job in a small town that is economically depressed, especially when you are competing with 50 applications for every job and most applicants are 20 to 30 years old, not 62.   I finally used up all of my savings and could not pay my mortage, missed my first payment in August, 2012.  I contacted WF and was assigned a home preservation specialist.  I asked about modification and was told because I receive my late husband's retirement I could not qualify.  This was not after review of any paperwork, was not asked for any.  My review lasted 4 minutes.  Then I was told not to send any payments right now but to call back in 30 days and I could reapply. (Make sense to you?) When I called back in 30 days, I was told I had to submit $1500 by certified check or go to foreclosure.  I did not have the money to pay that and told this person I did not.   She told me she could not help me and in three days I received a certified letter telling me I was being foreclosed.  Since then I have received a letter from another hp specialist and was told to contact him.  He seems to only have voicemail, not a real voice.  I keep calling and no replys.  In the meantime, I now owe $2900.  Every time I try to pay anything, they will not take my money because it is less than the full amount I owe.  They are hell bent on selling my property.  But the joke is on them.  My home is a 30 year old double wide mobile home that is worth way less I owe on it.  They loaned me way more money that it was worth and if they sell it on the courthouse steps they might get half of what I owe.  I recently read online about the mess WF got into with Federal Reserve because of their foreclosure practises and loan processing.  It seems they need another investigation.  I keep calling and keep praying for a solution.  I am way too old to become homeless and don't know what to do.  I look in the local paper each week expecting to see my home listed for sale at public auction on the court house steps.  I will pray for all of you and you pray for me too.  I just depend on God because no help seems to be forthcoming from Wells Fargo!!!!
  • 0
    Marie
    ****Disclaimer... I learned about this program through personal experience. I do not work for a bank, investor or the government- just another homeowner who faced the bleak reality of unemployment and tapped out.


    This is heart breaking to read.. so many people faced with a situation that seems to not have any answers- There may be some relief for some There is a program called the Hardest Hit Fund where the government has allocated millions of dollars to the 18 states hardest hit by the foreclosure crisis.


    Alabama
    Arizona
    California
    Florida
    Georgia
    Illinois
    Indiana
    Kentucky
    Michigan
    Mississippi
    Nevada
    New Jersey
    North Carolina
    Ohio
    Oregon
    Rhode Island
    South Carolina
    Tennessee
    Washington D.C.

    Each states program vary but there may be some relief for those that may be unemployed or under-employed. It seems the banks as well as some of the participating states have not done a good job of promoting this program.

    If you live in any of the listed states visit http://www.treasury.gov/initiatives/financial ... -Documents.aspx to learn about the program in your state.

    I hope this can offer help to some if not everyone.
  • 0
    Mike
    | 1 reply
    well still no word... i resubmitted my paperwork 3 weeks ago, and they said i would know something within a week or so. i guess or so is a month. what a pain in the butt. att his rate ill still be a month behind on payments- but thats better than nothing.
    • 0
      WF Customer replies to Mike
      What to do if you’re having problems with your Mortgage Modification servicer:

      Always remember, Mortgage servicing companies are being paid with TAXPAYER funds by the Federal Government to provide you Mortgage Modification services. They are in service to you, not the other way around. The servicing standards are set up to limit distress to borrowers in an already stressful situation.

      Each state’s Attorney General’s Office is involved in the process. If you’re having problems as indicated in this forum, you need to download complaint forms and file them. This will not affect the outcome of you settlements. The Federal court rulings set up standards to protect you.    


      Office of Mortgage Settlement Oversight
      Joseph Smith Director.

      http://mortgageoversight.tumblr.com/tagged/Servicing%20Standards

      JS Quote: There 300 standards defined governing how servicers treat their distressed customers.
      These standards are monitored by Joseph Smith quarterly. These reports come from the Primary Professional firms (PPF) and the Secondary Professional Firms (SPF) handing the servicing.

      Important!! There is no monitoring or surveying of the distressed customers being served.
      Consequently the distressed customers’ only way of feedback is via online forums

      Standards:

      Customer service (including communication
      protocols, single point of contact, staffing levels,
      training and oversight) Standards that govern
      interactions between borrowers and their
      servicers to enhance service quality and to reduce
      confusion and lost time

      Documentation
      (including preservation of original note, accuracy
      of information, borrower access to documents)
      Standards that safeguard the paper trail so it is
      accurate and available to all parties.

      Loan modification
      Standards that define borrowers’ ability to modify
      the terms of their loans and servicers’ obligations
      when they agree to consider a loan modification, in order
      to make foreclosure a last resort.

      Single Point of Contact (SPOC)

      1.    Servicer shall establish an easily accessible and reliable single
      point of contact (“SPOC”) for each potentially-eligible first lien
      mortgage borrower so that the borrower has access to an employee
      of Servicer to obtain information throughout the loss mitigation,
      loan modification and foreclosure processes.

      2.    Servicer shall initially identify the SPOC to the borrower promptly
      after a potentially-eligible borrower requests loss mitigation
      assistance. Servicer shall provide one or more direct means of
      communication with the SPOC on loss mitigation-related
      correspondence with the borrower. Servicer shall promptly
      provide updated contact information to the borrower if the
      designated SPOC is reassigned, no longer employed by Servicer,
      or otherwise not able to act as the primary point of contact.

      Documentation

      Servicer shall maintain procedures to ensure accuracy and timely updating of borrower’s account information. Servicer shall also maintain adequate documentation of borrower account information, which
      may be in either electronic or paper format.
  • 0
    bryan0092
    Wells Fargo is worthless!! They lied to us and delayed us. They said they needed papers that we already gave them. Do Not Trust them! We have equity in our house and 5 months of lies from them later and they denied the home preservation. I asked repeatedly how much do I owe? And they refused to tell me. I am still fighting to save my house and now they tell me it will take a week to find out how much to save it. I had been paying them every month during this time, only to find out they put all of it in a holding account!!!!   Don't trust them its all lies. Ryan Smart and Cynthia Vida are liars!!!!!!!!!!!
  • 0
    Rhonda
    | 2 replies
    Well I'm not sure to be happy or sad that I ran across this page :/ I to am getting nothing but ran in circles with Wells Fargo.I have talked with about 70 different people over the last 7 months and they ALL say something different. The only thing they do say that's the same is to talk to my assigned "specialist" who I can't EVER get through to, AND NEITHER can they!! They ALL try to transfer me and guess what, it doesn't go through! I have NEVER in my life been more disgusted with a business. I have done nothing but try to fix this problem and they have put up a wall. They knew the house was listed on the market and that we are paying the utilities and they had the locks changed anyways. Did they bother to notify us of this?? NO.   WELLS FARGO IS A JOKE!
    • 0
      CSwf cust replies to Rhonda
      The is a National Standard for Mortgage servicing. File a National Mortgage Settlement Serving Standard Violation with your States Attorney Generals office . Ck the failure to provide easy access to the HP reps.
      I did and got the Operations Officer for American Servicing Directors attention. Keep the st Att Gen in the loop. It will help. Good Luck
    • 0
      WF Customer replies to Rhonda
      What to do if you’re having problems with your Mortgage Modification servicer:

      Always remember, Mortgage servicing companies are being paid with TAXPAYER funds by the Federal Government to provide you Mortgage Modification services. They are in service to you, not the other way around. The servicing standards are set up to limit distress to borrowers in an already stressful situation.

      Each state’s Attorney General’s Office is involved in the process. If you’re having problems as indicated in this forum, you need to download complaint forms and file them. This will not affect the outcome of you settlements. The Federal court rulings set up standards to protect you.    


      Office of Mortgage Settlement Oversight
      Joseph Smith Director.

      http://mortgageoversight.tumblr.com/tagged/Servicing%20Standards

      JS Quote: There 300 standards defined governing how servicers treat their distressed customers.
      These standards are monitored by Joseph Smith quarterly. These reports come from the Primary Professional firms (PPF) and the Secondary Professional Firms (SPF) handing the servicing.

      Important!! There is no monitoring or surveying of the distressed customers being served.
      Consequently the distressed customers’ only way of feedback is via online forums

      Standards:

      Customer service (including communication
      protocols, single point of contact, staffing levels,
      training and oversight) Standards that govern
      interactions between borrowers and their
      servicers to enhance service quality and to reduce
      confusion and lost time

      Documentation
      (including preservation of original note, accuracy
      of information, borrower access to documents)
      Standards that safeguard the paper trail so it is
      accurate and available to all parties.

      Loan modification
      Standards that define borrowers’ ability to modify
      the terms of their loans and servicers’ obligations
      when they agree to consider a loan modification, in order
      to make foreclosure a last resort.

      Single Point of Contact (SPOC)

      1.    Servicer shall establish an easily accessible and reliable single
      point of contact (“SPOC”) for each potentially-eligible first lien
      mortgage borrower so that the borrower has access to an employee
      of Servicer to obtain information throughout the loss mitigation,
      loan modification and foreclosure processes.

      2.    Servicer shall initially identify the SPOC to the borrower promptly
      after a potentially-eligible borrower requests loss mitigation
      assistance. Servicer shall provide one or more direct means of
      communication with the SPOC on loss mitigation-related
      correspondence with the borrower. Servicer shall promptly
      provide updated contact information to the borrower if the
      designated SPOC is reassigned, no longer employed by Servicer,
      or otherwise not able to act as the primary point of contact.

      Documentation

      Servicer shall maintain procedures to ensure accuracy and timely updating of borrower’s account information. Servicer shall also maintain adequate documentation of borrower account information, which
      may be in either electronic or paper format.
  • 0
    Ruby D Taylor
    I too had a similar situation with Wells Fargo Home Preservation Dept who for 6 months had me sending them documents over and over again question every deposit and dollar in my checking account. Thereafter I was told that I did not qualify for the HAMP or HARP programs because they felt my mortgage was affordable according to my income but not taking into consideration other expenses such as increase in medicals and prescriptions along with IRS liens that I have not been able to arrange even $1 monthly to start paying back which is increasing as I speak Wells Fargo has no consideration for their clients as long as you find your mortgage pmt they don't care what you have to do or where you get the money as long as they get their payment. So sad to say they have a great precentage of the mortgage business in the US.
  • 0
    Mike
    i plan on calling today as i have not heard from my specialist in almost 3 weeks. i did go online to see if maybe they updated my payment amount or anything- nothing. just a "your payment is so and so late...' thanks for the reminder. i plan on making a payment in the next two weeks and trying to catch this up alittle but at the same time, im just accepting the fact ill be a month behind. im putting my house on the market in probably 2 months. i cant wait, hopefully i come out ahead and i will never go through wells fargo for my mortgage again.
  • 0
    Jan
    | 1 reply
    I am sorry to hear so many horror stories, but after fitting with Wells Fargo to get a loan modification for about two years now. I finally got the hamp program it took a lot of work on my part , but I was one off the lucky persons that Wells Fargo was avaible to help. My payment is lower my interest is at 2% & my loan was reduce by $119,000. I could not be more happier & please by the help I received from Wells Fargo., But like I said it took a lot on my part to work with the server. You must be on top of everything any document they ask for you must be ready to fax it over or mail it on time. Yes some server are [***], but there are a few like Vicent M. Wow he is an Angel to work with.  Thank you Wells Fargo for your Help ;)
    • 0
      yep replies to Jan
      It's not right to lié to people when they are looking for help. What ever you were behind in your mortgage was put back at the end of your loan, which you are still requird to pay. There's no 2%. At this time its possible you got 3.2% not 2% come on now. Also you have to start à new 30yr term of appoved. Anyone could just call and ask if 2% is possible if appoved and you'll see. Lol 2%
  • 0
    c
    | 1 reply
    Wells Fargo lost my paperwork so I sent it again, then I get a letter from my attorney the same day and
    they "found it"  So now they have two copies.  The reps talk so fast I have to ask them to repeat everything.
    I don't have anything but my mortage with them these days.  My wife is dying from kidney failure (among
    other things) and she'd like to die at "home" rather than have a move to hasten her passing.  I haven't
    worked since 2008 as the rate of unemployed union electricians is at 19.96%  If this was a republican we'd
    be marching on washington.  I'm not sure the country will survive to say nothing of ourselves. It's like I
    say about my car insurance, "you are NOT a good neighbor!"
    • 0
      WF Customer replies to c
      What to do if you’re having problems with your Mortgage Modification servicer:

      Always remember, Mortgage servicing companies are being paid with TAXPAYER funds by the Federal Government to provide you Mortgage Modification services. They are in service to you, not the other way around. The servicing standards are set up to limit distress to borrowers in an already stressful situation.

      Each state’s Attorney General’s Office is involved in the process. If you’re having problems as indicated in this forum, you need to download complaint forms and file them. This will not affect the outcome of you settlements. The Federal court rulings set up standards to protect you.    


      Office of Mortgage Settlement Oversight
      Joseph Smith Director.

      http://mortgageoversight.tumblr.com/tagged/Servicing%20Standards

      JS Quote: There 300 standards defined governing how servicers treat their distressed customers.
      These standards are monitored by Joseph Smith quarterly. These reports come from the Primary Professional firms (PPF) and the Secondary Professional Firms (SPF) handing the servicing.

      Important!! There is no monitoring or surveying of the distressed customers being served.
      Consequently the distressed customers’ only way of feedback is via online forums

      Standards:

      Customer service (including communication
      protocols, single point of contact, staffing levels,
      training and oversight) Standards that govern
      interactions between borrowers and their
      servicers to enhance service quality and to reduce
      confusion and lost time

      Documentation
      (including preservation of original note, accuracy
      of information, borrower access to documents)
      Standards that safeguard the paper trail so it is
      accurate and available to all parties.

      Loan modification
      Standards that define borrowers’ ability to modify
      the terms of their loans and servicers’ obligations
      when they agree to consider a loan modification, in order
      to make foreclosure a last resort.

      Single Point of Contact (SPOC)

      1.    Servicer shall establish an easily accessible and reliable single
      point of contact (“SPOC”) for each potentially-eligible first lien
      mortgage borrower so that the borrower has access to an employee
      of Servicer to obtain information throughout the loss mitigation,
      loan modification and foreclosure processes.

      2.    Servicer shall initially identify the SPOC to the borrower promptly
      after a potentially-eligible borrower requests loss mitigation
      assistance. Servicer shall provide one or more direct means of
      communication with the SPOC on loss mitigation-related
      correspondence with the borrower. Servicer shall promptly
      provide updated contact information to the borrower if the
      designated SPOC is reassigned, no longer employed by Servicer,
      or otherwise not able to act as the primary point of contact.

      Documentation

      Servicer shall maintain procedures to ensure accuracy and timely updating of borrower’s account information. Servicer shall also maintain adequate documentation of borrower account information, which
      may be in either electronic or paper format.
  • 0
    yep
    I used to be an hps for fargo and I will be honest, they have no structure. It's all about making your numbers in a short period of time and not helping the customer. I enjoy helping people, but asking for documents over and over from customers is not right. I can go on and on about what they do. Word of advise, if you have à hardship then cut your finances down where you can and week an attorney. If you trust in the home prev sept you may have just givin your home away....
  • 0
    Hector
    | 1 reply
    On my 3rd home preservation specialist, and 7th month, they always ask me for the same information I get frustrated I have tried talking to Debbie Spaulding, manager to my specialist but no reply.. Wells Fargo has no intention of helping us.. I'm not surprised.
    • 0
      WF Customer replies to Hector
      What to do if you’re having problems with your Mortgage Modification servicer:

      Always remember, Mortgage servicing companies are being paid with TAXPAYER funds by the Federal Government to provide you Mortgage Modification services. They are in service to you, not the other way around. The servicing standards are set up to limit distress to borrowers in an already stressful situation.

      Each state’s Attorney General’s Office is involved in the process. If you’re having problems as indicated in this forum, you need to download complaint forms and file them. This will not affect the outcome of you settlements. The Federal court rulings set up standards to protect you.    


      Office of Mortgage Settlement Oversight
      Joseph Smith Director.

      http://mortgageoversight.tumblr.com/tagged/Servicing%20Standards

      JS Quote: There 300 standards defined governing how servicers treat their distressed customers.
      These standards are monitored by Joseph Smith quarterly. These reports come from the Primary Professional firms (PPF) and the Secondary Professional Firms (SPF) handing the servicing.

      Important!! There is no monitoring or surveying of the distressed customers being served.
      Consequently the distressed customers’ only way of feedback is via online forums

      Standards:

      Customer service (including communication
      protocols, single point of contact, staffing levels,
      training and oversight) Standards that govern
      interactions between borrowers and their
      servicers to enhance service quality and to reduce
      confusion and lost time

      Documentation
      (including preservation of original note, accuracy
      of information, borrower access to documents)
      Standards that safeguard the paper trail so it is
      accurate and available to all parties.

      Loan modification
      Standards that define borrowers’ ability to modify
      the terms of their loans and servicers’ obligations
      when they agree to consider a loan modification, in order
      to make foreclosure a last resort.

      Single Point of Contact (SPOC)

      1.    Servicer shall establish an easily accessible and reliable single
      point of contact (“SPOC”) for each potentially-eligible first lien
      mortgage borrower so that the borrower has access to an employee
      of Servicer to obtain information throughout the loss mitigation,
      loan modification and foreclosure processes.

      2.    Servicer shall initially identify the SPOC to the borrower promptly
      after a potentially-eligible borrower requests loss mitigation
      assistance. Servicer shall provide one or more direct means of
      communication with the SPOC on loss mitigation-related
      correspondence with the borrower. Servicer shall promptly
      provide updated contact information to the borrower if the
      designated SPOC is reassigned, no longer employed by Servicer,
      or otherwise not able to act as the primary point of contact.

      Documentation

      Servicer shall maintain procedures to ensure accuracy and timely updating of borrower’s account information. Servicer shall also maintain adequate documentation of borrower account information, which
      may be in either electronic or paper format.
  • 0
    Mary B
    All above comments sound very familiar.  I've been working with a home preservation specialist since November.  After going through the original 3 month moratorium period, I was set up with a specialist who was supposed to offer assistance through "another program".  Now, six months later, I'm being told that I need to pay back all past due payments.  How is this supposed to help?  It doesn't !!

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